More proof that religion is dangerous

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PsychoticEpisode

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No sense of humor I guess.....people are starting to die over a Danish cartoon depicting Islam's prophet Muhammed as maybe being slightly murderous. At first I thought it was poor taste but now I'm starting to wonder. It's starting to look like the cartoon has an elemment of truth attached to it judging by the reaction of followers. Do you think the Christians would go nuts if the shoe was on the other foot? I bet they would. The world's religious fanatics have lost their minds. This insanity is going to get worse before it gets better.

Imagine... dying over a cartoon......unbelievable
 
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Do you think the Christians would go nuts if the shoe was on the other foot?
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What do you mean?

Are you saying that Christians would run around smash buildings and kill people over defamatory depictions of Jesus? If that where the case then there would have been many such riots happening in the west today where such mockery and blasphemy of Jesus is rife. No there is a big difference between Christians and muslims. We pass such judgement on to God. while muslims think it is their duty to carry out retribution for insults levelled against muhammad. There is no, "turn thy cheek" and "love thy enemies" in islam.

The problem with the God mocking western atheists is that historically they are used to cheek turning Christians non-violent reactions to their insults to Jesus. They seem to think that muslims will some how be like Christians and react with the same kind of non-violent way. But they are totally misguided in there thinking. So they are shocked when that van gough guy was stabbed to death in the street and people are being killed over a cartoon. Wake up and smell the roses, muslims are not Christians. So if you want to mock allah in front of a true muslim then be prepared for death.


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Sorry Adstar, the Christians had their turn years ago. They have progressed to a point where they can take someone calling out their god. Muslims simply are a few centuries behind in that department. Oh the Christians would still go nuts but they won't necessarily kill because they'll go straight to a lawyer and sue somebody. Too bad the Muslims haven't grasped that idea yet.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
Sorry Adstar, the Christians had their turn years ago. They have progressed to a point where they can take someone calling out their god. Muslims simply are a few centuries behind in that department. Oh the Christians would still go nuts but they won't necessarily kill because they'll go straight to a lawyer and sue somebody. Too bad the Muslims haven't grasped that idea yet.
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No sorry necessary. True Christians have always given over vengeance and retribution to God and turned their Cheeks to insults. Actually we are far more dangerous than the muslims. Their vengeance is carried out in this world and they can only kill you once. But the vengeance we pass on to the God Of Abraham is an eternal vengeance on all those whom we have forgiven and turned out cheeks to. The only release from their doom is to accept Jesus for atonement for their insults. Either way victory is Gods.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
Adstar

True Christians have always given over vengeance and retribution to God and turned their Cheeks to insults.

"True Christians" have already shown that not to be true.

And besides, Allah would have already beheaded your god of Abraham since Allah rules by the sword and your god would have to turn the other cheek.
 
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Adstar

True Christians have always given over vengeance and retribution to God and turned their Cheeks to insults.

"True Christians" have already shown that not to be true.

And besides, Allah would have already beheaded your god of Abraham since Allah rules by the sword and your god would have to turn the other cheek.
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i will say it again as i have said it before on more than one occasion. God is not under the laws He gives us to live by. True Christians believe Jesus. He is their Lord as well as their Redeemer.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
God is not under the laws He gives us to live by.

How do you know that for a fact? Did he tell you that in person?

True Christians believe Jesus. He is their Lord as well as their Redeemer.

True Muslims believe Mohammud. He is...

i will say it again as i have said it before on more than one occasion

Repeating something does not make it any more valid than the time before, especially when its it little more than sound bite fodder. You should be trying to say something new.
 
i dont know about everyone else, but it seems to me as though the muslims are out to prove that the cartoons are about 98% on the mark.
 
So, we know Christianity and Islam might be dangerous. What makes you think all religions are dangerous? There are 19-22 major religions, and thousands of minor ones.
 
spidergoat said:
So, we know Christianity and Islam might be dangerous. What makes you think all religions are dangerous? There are 19-22 major religions, and thousands of minor ones.
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I feel I should paint them all with the same brush. If one religion is responsible then the others are guilty by association. The real danger is letting your mind become clouded by irrationality. Anything can happen after that. I realize some are more passive than others but didn't the violent ones start that way? Prove to me that there is a religion that won't ever become violent.
 
What makes you think all religions are dangerous?

If its a religion, then its a fantasy. How can following fantasies your whole life not be dangerous?
 
That's ridiculous. A religion is a system of belief about the world, it can be rational or irrational, adaptive or rigid, peaceful or violent...
 
No, a religion is a belief in supernatural beings that control ones destiny.
 
"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."

-Albert Einstein

I'll go out on a limb and sugggest that there is nothing dangerous in the religious notions of this brilliant man. Another example that reason and spirituality are not incompataible - in fact if you can learn to find a place for both of them you will have taken a huge step towards a *balanced*, wonder-filled, and full life.
 
what religious notions, you need to read more Einstein.

"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.... I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our being."

-Albert Einstein

"Thus I came--despite the fact I was the son of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents--to a deep religiosity, which, however, found an abrupt ending at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic [orgy of] freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived...Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude... has never left me..."

-Albert Einstein(taken from the pages of his Autobiographical Notes (1949, pp. 3-5))
http://jeromekahn123.tripod.com/thinkersonreligion/id8.html
 
Just because Einstein did not believe in personal God does not mean he did not hold what most people would consider religious convictions. Pantheism is still a variety of spirituality. The man used the terms "god" and "religious" quite liberally, and expressed a kind of spirituality that I think is quite healthy.

I've read plenty of Einstein. Here are some relevant quotes:

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."

"The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness."
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."

"In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this religious feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it." (Albert Einstein, 1930)

"But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." (Albert Einstein, 1941)

"But, on the other hand, every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe -- a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive."
 
Just because Einstein did not believe in personal God does not mean he did not hold what most people would consider religious convictions.

Nope, Einstein was an atheist.
 
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