Morality and atheism....

[Oli]

Atheists base their morality on politically correct behaviour.

I made the statement, Saiyyadati?

My memory must be going finally...

I merely coughed at the perceived personal slur.

 

[S.A.M.]

Being politically correct mean interpreting actions within the context of that society. Religion does the same thing, only within the context of that religion.

But religion lays down the mores that any society deems acceptable or inacceptable. Even a secular society arrests and imprisons thieves and murderers.

 

[S.A.M.]

I made the statement, Saiyyadati?

My memory must be going finally...

I merely coughed at the perceived personal slur.

I like to make people think.

 

[spidergoat]

What would a God designed universe look like?

It would contain irreduceable forms and a high degree of perfection.

What is "natural"?

As opposed to supernatural and mysterious, it means with observable cause.

 

[S.A.M.]

It would contain irreduceable forms and a high degree of perfection.

Why?

As opposed to supernatural and mysterious, it means with observable cause.

So it is limited by observation?

 

[2inquisitive]

I believe Hitler was a vegetarian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_of_Adolf_Hitler

Then I believe you have just disproven your own statement. Hitler was a vegetarian, but I do not believe he was a moral atheists, do you?

 

[S.A.M.]

Then I believe you have just disproven your own statement. Hitler was a vegetarian, but I do not believe he was a moral atheists, do you?

I never said he was.

 

[spidergoat]

But religion lays down the mores that any society deems acceptable or inacceptable. Even a secular society arrests and imprisons thieves and murderers.

If religion is a big part of that society, then yes, it contributes it's values to it, but secular values do not require a religious basis. You don't need religion to see that thieves and murderers are harmful to the well being of society.

 

[S.A.M.]

If religion is a big part of that society, then yes, it contributes it's values to it, but secular values do not require a religious basis. You don't need religion to see that thieves and murderers are harmful to the well being of society.

But why would you be concerned by the well being of society?

 

[2inquisitive]

I never said he was.

Then you have provided no evidence to back up your claim.

 

[mikenostic]

But why would you be concerned by the well being of society?

Because humans are social creatures. If the cohesion of society fails, then there is a chance of chaos.

 

[S.A.M.]

Because humans are social creatures. If the cohesion of society fails, then there is a chance of chaos.

But if human beings are such social creatures social cohesion is a given.

 

[spidergoat]

Right, because I'm a part of society. If murderers are loose, I will be in danger.

 

[S.A.M.]

Then you have provided no evidence to back up your claim.

I did; I said all moral atheists are politically correct.

 

[S.A.M.]

Right, because I'm a part of society. If murderers are loose, I will be in danger.

Survival of the fittest.:shrug:

 

[spidergoat]

Why?

Because if you design something from the beginning, you wouldn't need to adapt ill-suited parts from a previous form. Pandas, to give a famous example, would have a real thumb rather than a deformed wrist bone common in all bears.

So it is limited by observation?

Natural causes have been observed either directly or indirectly for many phenomenon previously explained only by religion.

 

[S.A.M.]

Because if you design something from the beginning, you wouldn't need to adapt ill-suited parts from a previous form. Pandas, to give a famous example, would have a real thumb rather than a deformed wrist bone common in all bears.

But thats your opinion.
If there is no design, why is it "deformed" or "mutated" or "deficient"?

Natural causes have been observed either directly or indirectly for many phenomenon previously explained only by religion.

Thats based on interpretation by people.

 

[spidergoat]

I did; I said all moral atheists are politically correct.

Not necessarily. I think it's ethical to allow doctors to prescribe lethal medications to people that want to die.

 

[Oli]

I did; I said all moral atheists are politically correct.

Why would they be?
Political correctness is an unneccessary wishy-washy fad.
Morality has nothing to do with using the "correct" or "incorrect" (i.e. currently fashionable) terminology.

 

[spidergoat]

But thats your opinion.
If there is no design, why is it "deformed" or "mutated" or "deficient"?

I think it's a reasonable deduction. Animals arising from a previous form do not require the intercession of a diety. Indeed, the more science is understood, the less there is for a diety to do.

I call such structures deformed, since they obviously evolved for a different function and were adapted for a new function, for which they serve imperfectly.