Mods Gone Wild

[Bells]

It was and still is, but Kira matters very little.

In that, you have made a very large mistake.

Kira expressed the opinion that you did not speak for her when you made the statement, of your own volition, on behalf of the group, of which she was a member. When she voiced her discontent about your behaviour, you responded by demeaning her ethnicity and her religion. Were you representing the group when you made such a statement? Were you speaking on behalf of said group? Or were you providing us with your own personal bigotted and racist opinion?

Kira made another post in this thread about wanting to start over with me, which has been conveniently deleted by him or herself or somebody else.

Kira is what I would call a gentle soul. That she was courteous towards you, when you acted in such a way towards her, says more about her than it does about you. And frankly, after your response to her and her subsequent response to you, you should be grovelling for her forgiveness for treating her with such racist and bigotted contempt. You should be thankful that she is so forgiving. I would not be.

Quote from HS: Probably the group will be reinvented without the elements that people have complained about. However, none of those people are will be welcomed back.

You mean the group will be re-invented with people you can be sure will simply agree with everything you say?

This has been an interesting exercise in human behavior.

Indeed it has. It is interesting to watch when an individual assumes power he does not have and voices his own personal opinion and representing those who belong to 'his group', without their consent. In short, you have proven yourself to be a very interesting specimen in human behaviour.

Most of the people who voiced discontent did so literally DAYS after reading my initial post, which means that they were perfectly okay with and even supportive of its existence and its contents... at first.

Most of them have lives and were probably unaware that you had posted what you did and represented them without their consent.

It were only until one or two people left and some pressure was put on from the outside that they too decided that "they didn't like this" and left us. Just look at Kira, whose ultimate statement boils down to: "I agree with the High Society statement... but I'm leaving now because I am concerned with my reputation."

Having kept up with this thread, I do not see where pressure was applied to the members to leave the group. The pressure was on you to explain how you represented them when there was obviously no consent given by said group to your original statement 'from the group'. When the members were asked to speak out in this thread by an administrator, as to whether they supported you and your group, half of them did and they did so very well. The rest basically reacted with a 'eh what?.. you don't represent me' and those members were either removed by you or left after you abused them on the forum for not being your lackeys.

It was not their reputation on the line. It was and remains yours.

And I can assure you, your reputation is not doing so well at this point in time.

Fair-weather friends was all they were. Apparently some of them forgot along the way that this group was supposed to be deliberately over the top, as cluless has repeatedly stated.

You mean some of them forgot along the way that they had to lick your toenails in admiration? In short, they forgot that they were meant to be your little sycophants for you to order to support your own agenda on this forum?

Clearly those people still feel bitter, which is why they have been the main one-lining anklebiters (see above two posts) and biggest detractors so far. As for the rest of us, we're doing awesome.

The only bitterness I see thus far is from you.

The walls of your own personal little kingdom has come crashing down. Well they do say that sunshine is the best disinfectant.

 

[WillNever]

Most of them have lives and were probably unaware that you had posted what you did and represented them without their consent.

I have explained why. It were only until late in the game that the voices of discontent arose. Notice that unfailingly and without interruption, the first members of the group who posted anything were *ALL* supportive of my statements. Giam, straw, visceral, norse, cluless -- surely they all have lives. They were the first ones to post anything -- and all of them were supportive. All the voices of discontent (kira, lucy, psycho) came much later. That is because they are sheeple, who waited to see outside reactions before committing themselves to something they knew (and still know) was the right thing to do. Now we are better off.

And I can assure you, your reputation is not doing so well at this point in time.

My reputation is fine, Bells. Perhaps you define yourself by your forum status (which explains why you volunteered to moderate here) but most of us do not think of ourselves in those terms.

 

[Trippy]

I have explained why. It were only until late in the game that the voices of discontent arose. Notice that unfailingly and without interruption, the first members of the group who posted anything were *ALL* supportive of my statements. Giam, straw, visceral, norse, cluless -- surely they all have lives. They were the first ones to post anything -- and all of them were supportive. All the voices of discontent (kira, lucy, psycho) came much later. That is because they are sheeple, who waited to see outside reactions before committing themselves to something they knew (and still know) was the right thing to do. Now we are better off.


My reputation is fine, Bells. Perhaps you define yourself by your forum status (which explains why you volunteered to moderate here) but most of us do not think of ourselves in those terms.

So fucking funny... Stop it, it hurts, seriously, my sides are killing me.

Oh wait, you're serious?

You actually believe this?

So what you're saying is, that inspite of your 'charter', you kicked people out,or they left because:
1. They can think freely enough to disagree with you.
2. Their opinions are fluid enough that they can change their minds and admit their initial judgements were in error.
3. They have better things to do with their lives than go through this thread to work out whether or not your statement, which you made on behalf of them, without their permission, matches up with their own opinions on the matter.

To fucking funny.

 

[Bells]

I have explained why. It were only until late in the game that the voices of discontent arose. Notice that unfailingly and without interruption, the first members of the group who posted anything were *ALL* supportive of my statements. Giam, straw, visceral, norse, cluless -- surely they all have lives. They were the first ones to post anything -- and all of them were supportive. All the voices of discontent (kira, lucy, psycho) came much later. That is because they are sheeple, who waited to see outside reactions before committing themselves to something they knew (and still know) was the right thing to do. Now we are better off.

Bitter much?

You created this particular issue. It is interesting to watch you try to fix it. You're not doing so well at the moment however.

The others who voiced their discontent came in late in the thread because they probably do have lives. I understand this is meant to be the thread of the day for your little group, the one that you ordered them all to concentrate on at the moment. But some do have lives and may not be able to jump when you say jump.

My reputation is fine, Bells. Perhaps you define yourself by your forum status (which explains why you volunteered to moderate here) but most of us do not think of ourselves in those terms.

No cherie. I was asked by the owners.

But now lets look at you, shall we?

You created a group of apparent thinkers and named your group "High Society". You then ordered said group to come directly to this thread to voice their discontent with an issue you had a disagreement with. You posted, on behalf of the group, and voiced your own disagreement and worded it in such a way as to state you were speaking on behalf of all of your members. Some members disagreed with your opinion and with your speaking on their behalf. You then either removed those individuals or personally insulted them until they resigned.

And you are stating that I define myself by my supposed forum status? Which is what exactly?

The irony of this whole thing is that you portrayed your group as being full of free thinkers. And the moment they disagree with you and your representation of them and the group on the forum, you either remove them, abuse them (one racially) until they leave.

It really is too funny!

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

I'm so sorry for not agreeing with your opinion, WillNever..If that makes me a sheeple, then so be it. Thanks for the insult, WillNever.


By the way, is it against the rules to post a screenshot of a PM I've received?

 

[Tiassa]

Generally, no

By the way, is it against the rules to post a screenshot of a PM I've received?

Generally speaking, no. Perhaps, as a matter of custom, one might consider whether or not they wish to risk offending another person by doing so, but generally speaking, no. Then again, I only usually run into it when people are complaining about moderators; another member once complained because the vile and stupid contents of his private messages to a moderator were shared with other moderators in tracking a developing situation as a record for basis of action. In other words, one thing I can tell people is that if they decide to light up on a moderator, they can expect the rest of the staff to see the private message. And, as we've seen here many times before, plenty of members are willing to post messages from moderators in an attempt to embarrass the staff.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

Aha, thanks for the info Tiassa.



I know this is kind of off-topic, but I was wondering if others received the same PM from WillNever:

 

[S.A.M.]

Well it was my desire to stay out of this mess, but I have to second Wills post.[in above PM which I did not receive]

I do believe that James R treats me unfairly even to the length of abandoning basic English comprehension and ascribing ownership of quotes to me [otherwise known as plagiarism]

I don't know if he does it because of my "Muslim background". However I have pointed out on many instances overt prejudice against Muslims [or for that matter, Christians] at sciforums and it has been implied that one must suck it up in the interest of science. However, the argument is only applied one way which makes it weak and hypocritical.

I have also been called names and abused verbally on many occasions and the only evidence provided has been general hand waving and directions to see what I see when I cannot read a whole sentence. Bells has also been guilty of this making sweeping statements of bigotry which she has been unwilling to back up

However, I have lately concluded that one cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear and have abandoned any expectations of being treated both rationally and fairly. I feel extensively manipulated in how my opinions are misrepresented here, but since my posts [all million gazillion of them] are available for anyone who actually bothers to read them, they are the only evidence I need to support my position.

I just wanted to put this here, because while I may not agree with many positions Willnever has taken, this point is irrefutable.

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

I can't second his post because he says that James R is treating you unfairly on the basis of your Muslim background, and I've never seen James R do that.

 

[S.A.M.]

He has on two separate issues displayed attitudes which make me incapable of denying that its not possible for him to hold that position. Since those two occasions were not about me, the jury is out on what his bias against me is based on.

 

[Bells]

Bells has also been guilty of this making sweeping statements of bigotry which she has been unwilling to back up

I refer to your latest example.

 

[sweet Pentax]

Lord have mercy and bury this thread :bawl:

 

[S.A.M.]

Lord have mercy and bury this thread :bawl:

There there.

 

[Bells]

Lord have mercy and bury this thread

Agreed..

 

[S.A.M.]

Agreed..

Don't worry. I think you'll find that suddenly a lot of bigotry will become "visible" at sciforums. Like my first ban last year, a lot of heads will roll to ensure I can be put in the package. The admin will suddenly notice how untenable all these long tolerated trolls have become. Its already started.

There is nothing, nothing quite like being offended to figure out why someone should not have the right to be offensive. Sadly, thats human nature.

Always the double standards

 

[James R]

WillNever:

How do you think your little exercise has gone from a PR perspective? Not too well from where I'm sitting. If I was you, I think I'd be trying to put this thread behind me as quickly as possible. A member of "High Society" would surely want to learn from such an embarrassing series of gaffes and make sure he doesn't expose himself to well-earned ridicule and condemnation in the future.


SAM:

Well it was my desire to stay out of this mess...

Yeah yeah.

I do believe that James R treats me unfairly even to the length of abandoning basic English comprehension and ascribing ownership of quotes to me [otherwise known as plagiarism]

Old news, SAM. Move on.

I don't know if he does it because of my "Muslim background".

Oh come now, SAM. You're really stretching in attempting to paint me as a religious bigot. ALL the available evidence is against that. But do keep on digging your hole. You and WillNever make a good pair.

 

[Neverfly]

Crying Bigot Wolf is extremely annoying.

 

[S.A.M.]

Crying Bigot Wolf is extremely annoying.

Ah but so gratifying....

And once again, in the "we make special rules for SAM category"

Dear S.A.M.,

You have received a warning at SciForums.com.

Reason:
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Off-Topic Posting


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Original Post:
[post]2501943[/post]

Irony watch: Israel passes a law denying the holocaust, the Palestinian holocaust

Knesset passes Nakba law in preliminary reading
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3863792,00.html

Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
SciForums.com

Unbelievable really, you can't even be sarcastic about a topicless thread anymore.

 

[Neverfly]

Ah but so gratifying....

Only for you.

And once again, in the "we make special rules for SAM category"
(Quoted Warning)
Unbelievable really, you can't even be sarcastic about a topicless thread anymore.

It is very bad form to publicly post a privately received message...

That aside, considering how much wild off topic posting goes on here, and how much of it I have done, (Granted, I'm a nube and perhaps haven't quite made it on radar yet- but that doesn't explain others...) I can see possible legitimacy in your claim.

I don't go in that subforum much. Is James R more strict than other mods are about their subforums?

Is it common others get similar warnings?

I still think that IF james R warned you for a reason that separates you from others, it may be spite or even possibly your problamatic posting style that makes him think you require more moderation.
These are much more likely than Racism or Religious bigotry. Not totally discounting those possibilities- I am guessing, I do not know the mans mind.

But since you are ABLE to publicly post about that- it seems that serves as a control.
IF James R IS in fact picking on you- it is harder for him to do so if everyone can see it.

If I can give my two bits...
Try to examine your own faults FIRST.
Figure out what it is YOU do, since it is that you can know and that you can control. You cannot effectively speculate about the mind of James R any better than I can.
But you can about your own.
You cannot truly control James R, but you can control yourself.

IF your treatment by him improves if your behavior improves, you can successfully conclude that you have satisfying results and end the argument.

IF it does not improve, you will then have a leg to stand on when you approach admins and appeal to them, demonstrating your good behavior.

 

[S.A.M.]

Oh I already know what I do. And if you simply read my posts you will know it too. I don't make a secret of it.

You cannot truly control James R, but you can control yourself.

Yes of course I can. Its what I am expected to do.