For whatever reason ............... etc etc
It's a wonderful first paragraph, and i sincerely hope it didn't take too much of your time. Personally i see a few faults in your psychoanalysis of me but we can't get it right all the time. Your line about me being deeply wounded..... It's the very first thing you ever need to say to anyone. Let me ask you June, have you ever seen a loved one die? Oh, silly question really- excuse me. What i'm getting at is that particular sentence having no bearing on anything. Everyone- regardless of what they believe, or where they're from, get's deeply wounded at one time or another. I'm afraid to say you don't get any medals for stating i've been deeply wounded, we all have.
The "you're angry" statement is a little bit misguided. I'm not angry, more truthful unto myself. You make claims to someones mental state and then proceed with typical religious advertising, in my opinion it would be better to have some education within psychoanalysis before you start making those claims- Everyone could do it, and without a gifted insight, or some learned knowledge in the area you come across as simply looking desperate.
Watch this.......
You often feel introverted- feeling subconciously that you are superior to most people, and as such you don't feel comfortable around them. The only person you have ever actually looked upon as more superior was/is your father, whom you love very deeply. However he wasn't around too much during your younger years, and you don't often see eye to eye-even now. This upsets you inside, because you don't want to debate or show him to be wrong- He does understand, don't worry. Fathers always do. You're strict with your son, more so than many people, and i can see you even having conflicts with those who teach him. Your father was also very strict with you, But you know/knew how to answer back to him- because of your principles- the principles he taught you. You notice often that your son does the same, and it doesn't anger you like you feel it should- because you see yourself in him, and your father in him.
*quick sigh* Ok now the psychoanalysis is out of the way can we get back to the topic? Good, thanks.
I'd like to proceed with a particular statement you made:
I only know a few things for sure and they are these...I know you're wrong
It's amazing but this is no different from anyone else.
Of course, people don't usually feel the need to state that out loud unless they're feeling insecure and threatened. I will do the following as simply as i can, not because you're incapable of understanding, but because i don't want this to slip through without being noticed.
We have things that we observe. This would include seeing, feeling, touching, smelling, hearing....
We have things we can't see at all.... (microscopic bacteria etc).
I must ask you quickly: Have you "observed" god? his could be in any of the ways shown above?
Obviously i need to proceed without your answer so i will look at both
IF you haven't observed god in any way, shape, or form everything you say is an assumption. You have a book, written by some old folk who didn't know too much, which is your sole guide to stating this god is there and real.
IF you have observed god in one way, shape or form, you have reason to 'believe', or should i say 'know' of his existence.
Now..... I'm sure you're a wonderful, trustworthy person, but tell me why there would be any credibility if you told me you saw, (etc), god? Much that you wouldn't trust me if i said i saw the tooth fairy, i can't do the same in return. You must respect and understand that. So, IF you did observe this being, i can't be expected to until i also observe this being. With me so far? If we look back to the biblical copies we will see, (in the OT), that people openly observed god, (apparently). I cannot take their word on "faith" because then i might aswell take every ancient story on faith- including dragons, vampires, werewolves, fairies, banshee, mothmen, loch ness monster, bigfoot etc etc.. That's a little too much to just accept without proof.
Now..... IF you haven't observed god in any way, shape or form you are actually simply making assumptions. The fact you haven't observed it, means you are as clueless to facts as anyone else. If that's the case why should i just accept what you say? There would be no difference between accepting what you say and accepting what Bob the alcoholic, who believes in flying invisible munchkins, says. Ok, one could argue that bob has no evidence- so hereby stating that evidence is of importance... Well, bob might be lacking but i can think of much evidence, on par with your own, to suggest bigfoot exists, to suggest aliens, werewolves, vampires, and giant snakes bigger than the planet exist. A person needs, at this stage, to be aware of everything. Mere acceptance for the sake of it, solves nothing. Before you know it i'd be seeing monsters in my closet, funny rabbits running round putting eggs in a basket every april and a whole host of irrational things. Sure, they might be true- they might exist- but we can only work with that which is observable.
Send your mind back.. There was a time man didn't know about tiny little animals that are unobservable but do exist, (bacteria). When did mankind accept and understand their existence? Yes, you got it.... when they were observed. Until such a time where something can be tested and observed it has no relevance to facts, to truth. It might be true- but it doesn't become true simply because someone says it is.
As you can see, i'm not angry, i'm not confused- I just won't jump off the diving board until i know there's water underneath.
If that's too much to ask- then so be it. If i must burn in hell, then that's how it is- i will remain who i am- i can't change who i am any more than i can start disliking the music i like. I am the way i am for whatever reason- but there is nothing in this brain of mine that says i should accept anything anyone says simply because there's a benefit in doing so, or simply because they say so.
Don't get me wrong- i love the history of it, and i read the bible continually. From this viewpoint it is a great look at how stories pass from culture to culture. It's a great look at early humanity and how they coped with life. Nowhere in it, is there anything credible to suggest there's a giant invisible guy, snake or anything else.
Let's just say for a second i became really needy for an instant answer..... Who am i, and what methods do i have with which to choose? I could simply pick one from a hat, i could listen to my mother, or i could investigate them all and find the most suitable.
Tell me....... what exactly is involved with the word "suitable"? Do i look for the one that offers most? Should i seek out the one that tells me i wont burn in hell no matter what? Maybe i should join scientology? Maybe i should become an ancient greek? Their assumptions sounded quite nice..... I'm unsure.
But please... do not hesitate to tell me why i should pick yours. I mean..... surely there's some statement to get recruitees over other beliefs? Surely you have testimony that would give me your insight and make me deny all the other beliefs?
But you see..... this causes a problem to this brain of mine that is interested in history and science.. I mean surely if your god is real and the events portrayed are factual there wouldn't be earlier versions of the same story? Ok, god could have said it twice- but then why would he mix up the facts? Why, in the original versions would there be many gods, if god was only one? It's weird but gods of everything- from water, to the sun.
I could go with the majority.... Obviously i'd have to work by your basis of trusting old texts- in which case i must now state there is a sun god. I mean.... a god of the sun is in more cultural belief systems than anything else- thus it must be true.
I could claim yours is vastly superior in the fact you have a mortal guy who dies for you. The funny thing is, there's the same story in ancient Sumerian. So i'm in a position whereby i could believe either the Sumerians, the NT jewish people, the polynesians and a whole bunch of other folk who spoke of ressurrections. Then i need to weigh up whether everything that is written is fact. I mean wow, the minute we label something as a metaphor, what does that say for the rest of the bible? Sure, i'm a smart guy, but i wont sit here and state i can tell you the exact mood, meaning and feeling of people, who are not known, that wrote this book several eons ago.
Now.... those unknown people either observed god or they didn't. IF they did then they have reason to write about it, and believe in it. The same would not apply to me. I mean.... he seemed very active back then and in constant discussion with the humans- of course they'd know he was there. The same does not apply to me. IF they didn't then it can only be said they're working off the same assumptions as the inventor of bigfoot, mothmen, vampires, and the giant sexually promiscuous donuts of Atlantis.
As such i am stuck in a bizarre position. Maybe you have something to show me the credibility of your belief vs others?
Sure, about now you'd start listing strange miracle seeming occurences. Unfortunately i might aswell tell you in advance, i have heard the same from every different belief on this planet- including atheism.
Kindly note that this is a question. As such saying "jesus died for our sins etc etc" isn't of any help. I can get statements off everyone on the planet- they have no bearing to anything. I have read the bible, i'm well aware of what was apparently done or not. I do not require preaching, but convincing. Please, if you have the time, convince me. Hey, who knows, maybe that's why you like me, maybe that's the plan god has for you- so i hereby ask you to convince me. If you can we'll live in harmony together, if not i'm sure god has further plans.
Still, it seems like an intellectual difference / something I am compelled to win at here
Thank you for making me smile. It is said a smile a day keeps heart attacks away. I owe you my gratitude. Here, i offer the same in return:
I hope it made you smile. It certainly made me "rofl", (roll on floor laughing), for quite a while.
I feel i must apologise. I didn't realise this was a competition. If i had have known i would have worn my lucky hat. I would ask exactly how you rate intelligence. Do we include the ability to ask questions and seek answers in the realm of intelligence? We are an intelligent species- why? I mean.... surely at some stage, at the beginnings of human intelligence, man must have questioned who and what he was- and why he even existed. I feel so sorry for this guy- looking at the rain and having no idea what it was. Looking at earthquakes and wondering what was going on. And so on, and so forth. Ok, he might have been told everything by some benevolent invisible being. If he was told, then in one way or another he actually observed this being. He is lucky.... How can i just choose one without the same observation? If i do hear a voice in my head- and there's no doctors around to analyze, how can i be certain i am actually a sane individual? Of course- if it truly is god there would be no question in my mins as to my sanity. What if he told me to kill people? I've heard it's actually happened before- what would i do? I would be in a position whereby i could either refuse this being and land myself in the shit, or i could accept what he's asked. If i accept i only have a lifetime to worry about it. Now imagine me in my cell looking out into the world. After doing such a thing even the god believers turn against you.... Are they going to hell? No? Strange.... i was doing god's will..... Let's say you were the intended victim... Would you call me a lunatic? But then..... i was doing gods will... gods will was to kill you... you denied god. It's a bizarre situation the way i see it.
Of course- and here's the problem- i can't comprehend the situation any better without having knowledge of it. In the same way i can't understand the activity of southern californian sea slugs unless i was to study.
So..... i sit down, on a daily basis, and i study. The evidence points to something other than a god. Is that intentional? Do i have a problem with the english language? Maybe so, but then it is simply my ignorance keeping me from the truth- and i can't change that- my ignorance is what it is. I could go to a place of religious worship- in the hope it makes me less ignorant- but then....... what institution? I mean...... How can i be certain i've got the right one, and i'm not just worshipping some beings that don't exist? Sure.... i'd go back to the books.....
There's so many argg!!!
I'm really really lost. I've found two nearly identical which gives them more credibility because they pretty much say the same thing. Tell me... Do i go for the older version or the young version? I would, with my level of understanding, go with the older version because of several factors. That would make me a Sumerian. But why would i adopt their belief system without observing something to make it true? Without the observation i can listen to anyone's assumption- i can even make my own. What a dillema.
However, from the beginning, He planned a different covenent - one that was impossible for us to screw up
OK, now i've already said i trust you.... Can you tell me how you know this please.
He also understood all that would be required on His part to redeem us - and He was willing to do it all even before Adam was created
Again, i hate to ask, but i do trust you implicitly. Can you tell me how you know this please.
but even more awsome when you realize that it is really true.
Oh now i'm drooling. I'd love to be awed, only you can prove to me it's true..... and i am overwhelmed - i've even got the butterflies- because i know you're going to show me the truth.
But even more to the point is this. Jews, Christians, Islams, all beleive in the same basic God.
Damn you beat me to it, and it's no wonder you've found the truth. I'm still going through the list of gods- proving them fake one by one. I hate to ask, in fact i feel rude, but can you tell me how to navigate my way past god number 98,755, it's really got me stuck? Btw, you should also include Sumerians with that list. If you haven't read any Sumerian i'd be shocked. Seeings as it's the basis for the biblical texts i would assume it would be the first thing anyone would read.
where Jews and Christians beleive that it was Isaac.
Strange..... That's not what the bunch of jews down the local synagogue tell me.. hey but what do they know?
Big differences because the Bible says that the line of Ishmael will be cursed. Look at the Arab nations today and tell me it ain't so.
I always loved a bit of harmless stereotypical behaviour. Damn blacks- should all be slaves, damn chinese all slanty eyed and short, hey and don't pakistanis have such big noses?
Law is still very important today, but it is so because we love and want to fulfill the law, not because it is mandated.
Yeah..... funnily the athesist down the road think exactly the same thing. It's like..... they've got no need to obey the law- they just feel like it.... woah, this is one of those Ripley moments.
It is so much nicer to want to love them rather than to have to love them.
I agree completely. Wtf?? How can i agree? I'm a dumbass atheist, it's obvious i
have to love my wife. Sorry, i thought i just loved her. - her beauty, charm, grace, mannerisms... I must be sorely mistaken.
The point here is that your statement was not correct. I find this often.
Whattya know... me too. But really, i am so thankful i have you here with you absolute words of wisdom to encourage and inspire me. I will start loving my wife immediately, and obey the law. I thank you from the bottom of my socks.
That people throw out general statements about Christianity without knowing the actual truths involved.
Well hey, that's why i'm here. I need a superior mind like yours to tell me the facts. Whenever you're ready, i'm ready. Shall we begin?
Not because we are brainwashed or led astray or even because we are desperately flailing in the waters looking for any kind of answer
It's weird..... but if i was a better psychoanalyst i'd say this statement has a great deal of relevance. Nevermind though- it's not important right now.
I can not convince you what the truth is.
I disagree. Without you i am too weak to find the truth. I beg, i plead, please help!! You can, you can, please don't run off, just try.
It is up to you to look inside and find the answers and the truths that are already waiting for you.
Cool. The one problem is i don't know what i'm looking for. I went to the airport to pick up a bag from a locker for a friend of mine. All i had was a key- and finding the door was a tough tough situation. It feels like that same situation right now- please direct me to the door with your knowledge, that i don't yet have.
You previously stated that you think you know the bible better than I. It doesn't appear so.
I do apologise. I was thinking of Stephen King's Rose Madder. You know, i've read so many books i can't even keep track anymore.
The bible is far different than a book with some words written in it.
Well then i must really be a muppet. How in the world could i confuse it with Stephen King's Rose Madder? I am truly ashamed. Damn it didn't even sound familiar. Ooooooh, it was the Sumerian texts that sounded familiar, my mistake.
you did a short study on the facts of the bible you would find that the known facts of the bible make it unlike any other book ever written.
Facts? Well bugger me, why didn't you say so earlier? Now i know they're facts, i can accept them. Cool, see you in church on Sunday?
It is so complex, it has answers to every question
I'd be inclined to disagree. I had this friend who asked why he feels like having a sex change. Unfortunately the bible didn't answer his questions, but the I Ching did. It's amazing, and ever since he's been a devout worshipper of ancient chinese books.
it spans information across miles and miles of territory and thousands of years of time that are confirmed realities by todays standards.
Sorry, what's confirmed?
Not one peice of information within this book has ever been proven to be false.
Wow....... I'd simply die of shock but the same can be said of 'Interview with the vampire'. OMG! It's dark outside..... runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
Some may choose not to beleive in it but there is not one peice of evidence that can point to an inaccuracy within it's entire border.
Oh, cool. I heard there was... but we've already established i know nothing. Ignore me.
There are new archeological finds constantly that point to more and more biblical truths.
Wow, they must be working their socks off. Can you give me an example of one please?
The story remains the same no matter where you go on the planet.
Oh man, am i a muppet or what? I thought it was 'cause they're reading the same book, and if they sat down and read books from other cultures there is no mention of a global flood, even predating that time. Still, what do they know, it's not like they were there........
Different languages, different names, a few small changes, but the story of the flood, God's wrath, the wiping out of human-kind, the ark, the rainbow, all the same.
All the same? Dagnammit, how did i miss the evidence? It could have been because stories from other cultures don't mention a global flood but just a small flood, not much larger than a puddle, but hey, what do i know?
It is also the only story in the bible that points to a worldwide catastophe and not a regional experience.
Woah..... so you're saying nobody was around to record the many large scale asteroid impacts that have hit this planet?? Oh nevermind, i've worked it out by myself-- god made man, then they got hit by an asteroid so god made man again.... and this happened many times until finally there were no more of those dumbass interfering asteroids and then man wrote the book. Now i feel like asking if Adam was really the first man on the planet. If he was i feel like asking why nobody actually mentioned the arrival of a big ass asteroid that hit this planet and would have, from the looks of things, destroyed pretty much everything on it. I can understand with one or two but seriously, you should check out nasa site or any site that deals with big ass asteroids.
Amazing how the only biblical account of a worldwide event is also the only worldly account of a worldwide event. If you just look at the book itself, there is power and awe in it alone
It is amazing. I mean why in hell couldn't t-rex just have sat down and written about the asteroid impacts? Man, are we asking too much? I hate t-rex.
I wish I could tell you all that I know about Jesus.
I have plenty of time, and i haven't put up any electrical fences, stone walls, or anything along those lines. See, i'm a nice guy- it's no longer just a wish- you have ample opportunity right now....
I have witnessed miracles, real live miracles that people say don't happen anymore.
Oh my love that's wonderful. Perhaps when i observe them i will state the same. Of course, i couldn't really concvince anyone of those miracles unless they too had observed them. Shit, miracles never happen when you want them to. Ever notice that?
I have seen the faces of demons - I know for a fact that they exist because I have really, literally seen them.
Stop it! You're making me shiver. However i'm also a curious guy.... Were they really red with horns? That's what i've been told by other witnesses.
I have felt the presence of Jesus sit on the corner of my bed to calm my fears after seeing these demons because I asked Him to come to me personally and He did because He knew the level of my fear.
I take it jesus is shy? It's just strange to me why you only "felt" jesus but you "saw"demons. Perhaps the demons don't have such advanced stealth outfits as jesus does.
I have heard the voice of God communicate with me, I know Him when He speaks. He has walked past me twice in my lifetime and I have felt the breath of the Holy Spirit upon my face.
Ah, so you've actually observed god... I wish it were the same for me- then i could finally have an answer. My door is always open.
It is impossible to discount what someone sees, feels, breaths, and hears, as a mere myth.
Ok. Now tell me.... Is it possible for someone who hasn't felt, seen, breathed, or heard to discount something as myth? I guess it must be, because you are implying you believe this because of the things you have observed. If someone hasn't observed then they have no reason to believe it. So, until that stage where you've felt, heard, breather, or seen god you are able to discount something as myth. If you wanted the "shrink" view, i'd tell you do discount it- with every breath you take. It's like your last line of defence against yourself, and the battle will always be raging from what i can see. These things that you have witnessed do seem incredible, and that is the only think holding you back. I hope you succeed in your battle.
The very real and very sad thing here is that there are those who either have not had this experience or have chosen to discount it for one reason or another.
Well, i thank you for agreeing with me that observance is actually important.
Miracles happen all the time all around you,
As do tragedies. Nobody sits down and says every tragedy is the work of the devil, so why say every good thing is the work of god? Or, for that matter, seeings as everyone seems to have a very low opinion of god, why would every tragedy be work of god? While i won the lottery on Saturday, (£500), i also had to see my son die. I wont state my son died because of god or the devil. I can tell you why he died if there's reason, but i also wont state my lottery win was god/devil. I did my sons birthday, my daughters birthday and my wifes birthday as the numbers and i won. Perhaps god planned my family to be born on those days so i could win £500 on saturday. No evidence would present itself and..... according to you and me..... observance is important.
I suggest that you at least open your mind to what is really going on around you.
This is the most insanely stupid statement to ever come out of the mouth of someone who has the truth. We are not lucky enough to have the truth- and thus our minds are as open as it can get. I'd like to be in your position. Your mind however, knows the truth already- and is thus closed to anything else, (which is obviously false because only you have the truth). Never tell an atheist to open his mind. It's as open as it gets.
When someone says there is a scientific explanation for something it blows my mind because God is science and sceince is God.
That's very strange considering the scientific faults in the bible, and there are many i can get into at a later time.
How in the world could the statement 'there's a scientific explanation for that' mean that God does not exist.
It doesn't mean god does not exist. Only you can answer to yourself why you would even make the question that god might not exist. Why the need for defence in that manner when you KNOW he does? You'd just say he does, and have no need to attempt a defence at your position. It seems you have a lot of internal questions that want answering. Only you can answer them. I already know in advance i've used the wrong English for this, and i apologise. My point will be lost among the realms of internet bandwidth. Fair enough.
The more we learn the more things point to God,
Of course you're speaking for yourself. There are many, many many, who disagree. Ok, it's obvious they are intellectually inferior to you, but that's hardly their fault- it's just the way they are.
Evolution is now laughable
Ummm evolution is a fact... Or are you talking about evolution theory which is something different to evolutionary fact?
Carbon dating is highly controversial.
Oh shit..... so the bible might only be 300 years old?? Damn, and there i was thinking it was a couple of thousand. Ok, sure, maybe i'm wrong... perhaps the religious "establishment" has some dating method completely unknown to everyone else that is obviously much better than everyone elses dating method. Excuse me for my apparent stupidity.
which proves the carbon dating of the world is not correct and puts the date of the earth at the same time the bible does.
It proves it??? Fuck i must have missed that newsreel. I will now trash every bit of Sumeriab texts i have. Ok, it predates the bible but obviously it's just a figment of my imagination that it exists, it actually doesn't. I thank you.
These are scientists, not preachers who are stating this new evidence.
Sorry but my computer has a google ban. I'm sure you'll be kind enough to provide links. Furthermore i am now really intrigued.. On your last statement it was "proof", now it's "scientists are stating this new evidence..." I'm sorry, but things do not add up.
Is that most Christians do have facts
Show me one fact please. I will mention that as it's a fact you can easily show why.
We love our God and beleive in Him because He is real to us in very tangeable ways.
It an amazing phenomenon that need to be researched more. You know.... i know my daughter exists. Not once in all my life have i sat down and said: "I believe my daughter exists." The same can be said of everything else that is a fact, complete truth. Maybe there's a deeper reason as to why people say "believe" to something that is a fact. I will start researching.....
Not only does the scientific data prove that there is a God
*cough* show me sites please */cough*
Many of us study the bible, using other methods - history - to help us to understand the reality of the bible also.
Read much Sumerian?
We are not believing in two headed turtles, david koresh, or any other non-god.
Don't you EVER insult the two headed turtle! What gives you the right???
He was referred to in the opening passeges of Genesis which was most likely written abround 1400 BC in the time of Moses,
Much that i like talking with you, i would ask you not to talk out of your ass. It's smelly. Thank you in advance.
Why is it easier to not beleive than to beleive?
Easier? How? Us poor fuckers struggling without answers vs you guys who know the absolute truth but somehow keep saying "believe". Personally i'd rather just know the truth like you do. Ok, we'd still differ- i wouldn't say "believe".
But I do know that God says without it, you will not find the truth.
Ok.... but god also knows that many people cannot just have faith. As such, as god knows that, he also knows we're going to burn in hell because of it. There's nobody to blame: we are the way we are because that's who we are.... god is who it is because that's god and thats what it is. Oh well, it's not an important issue.
Jesus said that those who were with Him and saw Him would be truly blessed
You're fucking kidding me??!?? So did the lunatic junkie who lives up the road.... Whoa, freaky.
believing that I somehow deserved something when I was not willing in turn to give anything
Like a child with his hands out asking "please sir, can i have more?"
I hate to disagree with you- but this mortal life is enough for me. If i have been given it then i am forever thankful- i don't need or want anything else..... deserve it or not.
I expect things of my children,
I already know that. Now tell me... why do they rebel? Perhaps there is more to being a parent than instruction. I understand your upbringing, but there's little need to inflict that upon your children, especially if you have a daughter. If you only have boys, it's not such a big deal.
I would not be able to spend a lifetime arguing for or against the two headed turtle.
Why ever not? He's a cool dood once you get to know him. From a "shrink" point of view i will ask why he's a two headed turtle, and indeed why he's a turtle. It's odd, but it has significance.
I have not been led astray, I am not grasping at straws, I am not weak,
It's ok! calm down, there's no need to convince me of your certainties. Only person who requires an answer to that is you.
I could only say that I don't know what they saw but I choose to not beleive in UFO's for whatever reason.
I feel we're really hitting the point sometime shortly..... But tell me please: why do you not believe in UFO's?
But to tell them that they did not see a UFO would be foolish and pointless. That is how it is with God.
So you agree it's all about observance? Well done, at least we understand.
No one can tell me that I have not heard His voice, and no one can tell me that I have not felt the presence of Jesus Christ himself,
I take it self doubt is a family trait? Nobody need tell you.... only you can tell you.
He actually has three heads instead of just two like your turtle.
Three? Ya know... much that psychoanalysis is complete and utter bollocks, would you like me to tell you why it has three heads INSTEAD of 2?
I am curious, although you may not wish to go here, and if not I understand and respect you for it. But I am curious if you ever believed in God? I am also curious about your child and if that has anything to do with your feelings now.
My son died. You know, for years it pissed me off..... Funnily enough it had nothing to do with god- but simply because my son was a rotting corpse. Undoubtedly it has made me a better parent. Or maybe not, maybe just a more concious decisio make when concerning my daughter. I would and could question that until my daughter phoned me yesterday. She's gone down to Devon with her mother who has some family issues for a few days... Anyway, this 4 year old girl phones me and says "Dad, i wish i had have stayed with you. I love you and i miss you so much." Now you know..... every failure, every fuck up i've made in my life, becomes irrelevant. I have someone who loves me beyond words. That's all i ever need. If a godly being made her love me- it's a fake, and i want no part. I love her back the same.... without the need for anything gigantic and powerful. Real love doesn't need a god, and real love needs nothing other than real love.
No, i have never been religious or a "believer" in a god/s. I was adopted..... i thought my parents were fucknuts, and i thought my adopted parents were fucknuts. Neither were religious but i'm sure if i sit down with them they'll tell me they do believe in something. However, i'd demand the same respect i show my daughter- I don't tell them what to believe, they don't tell me what to believe. It's a great way of dealing with a relationship- they can go synagogue, i can go wiccan mass, (whatever- i don't actually worship anything, it's mere rhetoric). If god is there, my daughter is smart enough to find him. I could assume my daughter is a thick fucker who can't find something as open and available as god, but i assume she is. My assumptions could be mistaken, but if i don't know the answer i am in no position to give her one. I could only damage her future by telling her my version of facts.
Aside from any relationship between religion and the death of your child,
Ya know..... I revently saw a fox die. It got splattered by a car- and much that my son didn't, i saw a vague similarity. They both died. My son didn't have a choice in the matter, so i can now assume he's happy in heaven or he's toasting like a mother fucker down in hell, (probably 'cause of my misdoings). I then looked at the fox..... Is the fox burning? Is the fox chilling in space? If not, one must ask where the fox goes, and why my son doesn't go exact same place...
You tell me..... did my son know more than the fox? In essence wasn't the fox superior? After all, the fox had more experience, more knowledge of life, and never did anything wrong. No, you can't say a fox murdered- it would have been designed to kill, and thus telling it not to is an act in futility.
Maybe my son had a spirit? Still, spirit or not, he had seen nothingm heard nothing, experienced nothing, The fox has more rights to heaven than my son does. Frankly i'd feel sorry for the fox if he is doomed to just die and rot while my son gets to play the harp.
I am sure that you must have deep grief over what happened and I am terribly sorry for whatever happened.
I did my four years solitary. He's probably in a worse shape than i am.
Like it or not, yeah I'm gonna pray for you.
Forget it, pray for him instead. Also, while you're there, pray for the fox.
tho in my circles I don't run across alot of people who don't beleive - just some people who are really mad. Just a thought.
Amusing last line, i like it.
