No your ability to understand is again demonstrated to be very limited. I did NOT say SR applied when light is curved by a strong gravity field. I said you misunderstood Einstein as the invariance of light he spoke of as not being exactly true with gravity was that gravity does cause the VELOCITY of light to change (in direction only, not in SPEED).
You are repeating yourself on an issue which is totally false. Try somethingelse.
Although this bending effect is not detectable on Earth, with the gravity the mass of the sun makes at it surface AND light rays just grazing by the sun it is just barely detectable. (The light path bends by a tiny fraction of a degree.) I.e. SR is an extremely good approximation except in gravity fields millions of times greater than found on Earth.
An extremely good approximation is still an approximation. The point still stands and yu are now reduced to quibbeling over just how bad SR really is and nor arguing it is vald perse'.
Yes, all of Newtonian and classical physics like F= ma, is just a very good approximation. That fact does not justify your complete rejection of them even when their errors are undetectably small.
If you ever read anything I have ever written you would know I hve said repeatedly that SR should not be thrown out with the bath water, that it has utility. My point is and has always been that you should merely understand it is not a correct physical theory and limit it's use to the only area it has any actual value and that is computing affects on an accelerated frame compared to it's inertial rest reference.
I.e. that is not grounds for postulating nonsense like "physical changes" in the moving frame, your postulated need to only measure speeds wrt your so called "common reference frame," or to deny the mathematically derived contraction of space, or the need to revise quantum mechanics THEORY with the speed of the frame, or to claim Bohr's formulae for the size of the hydrogen atom needs to have the frame speed in it, or that clocks really do slow their tick rate in their own frame due to an acceleration which may have ended 10 billion years ago. etc. etc.
Considering that 99% of this paragraph is your own distorted views I'll not waste time correcting you once again. But you are full of crap. I have not and do not suggest what you assert above.
I agree, both F = ma and standard SR is not precisely correct, but the error is not easily detected and AFAIK it is Impossible to even detect in even in a gravity field 10 times greater than on Earth. Your total transformation of the "perfect on Earth" SR with entirely different theory is as dumb and ignorant as if you were to throw out F = ma and replace it by F = (a^2 )/ m or some other entirely different false formulation.
What in the hell are you babbeling about? What perfect theory. I have not suggested a theory. You still think you can just make up stupid shitv and assign it to me just doesn't work.
We ALL have noticed that in several weeks now you have avoided ever respinding with a proper physics reply to the issue raised. Why? Because you can't and you are left with nothing but to try and inflate your own status and mitigate mine.
Sorry it isn't working.
Every physicists admits that in STRONG gravity fields SR cannot be used, just as they admit that when the mass "m" has any significant fraction of the speed of light F = ma needs to be replace by a more complex system of equations. ONLY A FOOL WOULD CONCLUDE FROM THIS THAT F = MA NEEDS TO BE TOTALLY REJECTED OR THAT SR NEEDS TO BE TOTALY REJECTED.
Damn and you bitched at me when I have used F = ma. Make up your damn mind.
SUMMARY:
MacM's version of SR is nonsense UNDER ALL CONDITIONS and NEVER even a good approximation.
SUMMARY: Billy T still cannot address the real physics issue and is beside himself about what to do next.
Try this learn about your hero.
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http://discovermagazine.com/2008/mar/20-things-you-didn.t-know-about-relativity
Article --- 20 things you didn't know about relativity; with my comments on
that article.
20 Things You Didn't Know About... Relativity
Galileo invented it, Einstein understood it, and Eddington saw it.
by Susan Kruglinski
From the Discover March 2008 issue, published online February 25, 2008
1 Who invented relativity? Bzzzt-wrong. Galileo hit on the idea in 1639,
when he showed that a falling object behaves the same way on a moving ship as it does in a motionless building.
2 And Einstein didn't call it relativity. The word never appears in his
original 1905 paper, "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies," and he hated
the term, preferring "invariance theory" (because the laws of physics look
the same to all observers-nothing "relative" about it).
3 Space-time continuum? Nope, that's not Einstein either. The idea of time
as the fourth dimension came from Hermann Minkowski, one of Einstein's
professors, who once called him a "lazy dog."
4 But Einstein did reformulate Galileo's relativity to deal with the
bizarre things that happen at near-light speed, where time slows down and
space gets compressed. That counts for something.
5 Austrian physicist Friedrich Hasenöhrl published the basic equation E =
mc2 a year before Einstein did.
6 Never heard of Hasenöhrl? That's because he failed to connect the
equation with the principle of relativity. Verdammt!
Added comment:"It means E=mc2 can be derived without Einstein's SR
7 Einstein's full-time job at the Swiss patent office meant he had to hash
out relativity during hours when nobody was watching. He would cram his
notes into his desk when a supervisor came by.
8 Although Einstein was a teetotaler, when he finally completed his theory
of relativity, he and his wife, Mileva, drank themselves under the table-the
old-fashioned way to mess with the space-time continuum.
9 Affection is relative. "I need my wife, she solves all the mathematical
problems for me," Einstein wrote while completing his theory in 1904. By
1914, he'd ordered her to "renounce all personal relations with me, as far
as maintaining them is not absolutely required for social reasons."
Added comment:" That means it was a joint theory; and if earlier comment by his professor is correct about him being lazy, then maybe he did not make much contribution in that joint venture. Which would then mean that Relativity theory came from someone who didn't really know what they were talking about; that could cause a bit of confusion.
10 Rules are relative too. According to Einstein, nothing travels faster
than light, but space itself has no such speed limit; immediately after the
Big Bang, the runaway expansion of the universe apparently left light
lagging way behind.
11 Oh, and there are two relativities. So far we've been talking about
special relativity, which applies to objects moving at constant speed.
General relativity, which covers accelerating things and explains how
gravity works, came a decade later and is regarded as Einstein's truly
unique insight.
12 Pleasure doing business with you, chum(p): When Einstein was stumped by
the math of general relativity, he relied on his old college pal Marcel
Grossmann, whose notes he had studied after repeatedly cutting class years
earlier.
Added comment:" Einstein had to go into joint venture with someone else after dumping his wife.
13 Despite that, the early version of general relativity had a major error,
a miscalculation of the amount a light beam would bend due to gravity.
14 Fortunately, plans to test the theory during a solar eclipse in 1914
were scuttled by World War I. Had the experiment been conducted then, the
error would have been exposed and Einstein would have been proved wrong.
15 The eclipse experiment finally happened in 1919 (you're looking at it on
this very page). Eminent British physicist Arthur Eddington declared general
relativity a success, catapulting Einstein into fame and onto coffee mugs.
16 In retrospect, it seems that Eddington fudged the results, throwing out
photos that showed the "wrong" outcome.
17 No wonder nobody noticed: At the time of Einstein's death in 1955,
scientists still had almost no evidence of general relativity in action.
18 That changed dramatically in the 1960s, when astronomers began to
discover extreme objects-neutron stars and black holes-that put severe dents
in the shape of space-time.
19 Today general relativity is so well understood that it is used to weigh
galaxies and locate distant planets by the way they bend light.
20 If you still don't get Einstein's ideas, try this explanation
reportedly from The Man Himself: "Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute
and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour and it seems
like a minute. That's relativity."