billy, post 837'
-Here you are comparing distances and time!.
So who is in the fruit business?
-It's still irrelevant how far the astronut travels.
In this scenario with distance as 4 ly:
A clock reads 0 at departure, 3 yr at arrival (for some
mysterious reason), and 6 yr at return.
E clock reads 0 at departure, 5 yr at arrival, and 10 yr at return.
A receives 10 annual signals from earth during his 6 yr trip.
It seems the earth clock is running faster than his own,
or his clock is running slower than the earth clock.
My argument is for true science, in terms of the known rules of
physics, not pseudo-science, science fiction, Harry Potter
physics, or mystical magical expositions that are designed to
sell books!
It doesn't matter how far the astronut clock travels, the
longer it's away the greater the time difference. The universe
does not contract because someone launches a space craft.
There has never been a documented case of this happening in the
history of NASA. The rules of physics do not allow it.
It's only in the mind of the one making the trip, and like a
hallucination, it is not shared by any one else, i.e. the rest
of the universe. It's not a mental disorder but is an altered
perception.
The point of the example, like the twins problem is, the only
way the the traveling clock can be behind when reunited is if
it physically ran slower (given identical clocks). It only
appears to run at earth rate because the astronut has altered
perception. The astronut is a composition of atoms just as the
clock is, thus experiences the same effects as the clock and
all matter that is moving in that frame.
Einstein developed the geometric-mathematical theory in pure
abstract terms, without regard to physical explanations.
Interpretation is left to the reader or other authors.
I've read the material, done the math, and have proof of my
statements. How about you?
Time dilation is an instant by instant thing, like two cars one
going 50mph and other going 75mph. One does not need a "start
accumulator" and "stop accumulator" events in two different
frames to speak about time dilation. I.e. tick RATE is like speed.
Comparison of how far the 50mph car went in one of its hours
vs. how far the 75mph car went in one of its hours is like
comparing the total number of ticks of the clocks or the
“accumulated time"
-Here you are comparing distances and time!.
So who is in the fruit business?
For example, if the turn-around point is where the sun and
Alpha Centaris are equally distant so that the total trip is
the distance to Alpha Centaris and the moving clocks is moving
wrt sun (or earth) at 0.8C on the trip and D Km is the Earth
based clock distance to Alpha C. then for Earth based clock ran
long enough to accumulate D/0.8C (where C is in Km/sec) but for
the moving clock D is contracted to d < D so of course that
trip took only d/0.8C seconds and as both clocks were ticking
at the same rate in their own frame, the shorter round trip
traveling clock accumulated fewer seconds.
-It's still irrelevant how far the astronut travels.
In this scenario with distance as 4 ly:
A clock reads 0 at departure, 3 yr at arrival (for some
mysterious reason), and 6 yr at return.
E clock reads 0 at departure, 5 yr at arrival, and 10 yr at return.
A receives 10 annual signals from earth during his 6 yr trip.
It seems the earth clock is running faster than his own,
or his clock is running slower than the earth clock.
I am getting tired of explaining what ANY well written book on
this subject will explain to you, especially as I am beginning
to sense, contrary to my original opinion, that you really do
not want to learn but to argue, based on ignorance you do not
want to correct.
My argument is for true science, in terms of the known rules of
physics, not pseudo-science, science fiction, Harry Potter
physics, or mystical magical expositions that are designed to
sell books!
It doesn't matter how far the astronut clock travels, the
longer it's away the greater the time difference. The universe
does not contract because someone launches a space craft.
There has never been a documented case of this happening in the
history of NASA. The rules of physics do not allow it.
It's only in the mind of the one making the trip, and like a
hallucination, it is not shared by any one else, i.e. the rest
of the universe. It's not a mental disorder but is an altered
perception.
The point of the example, like the twins problem is, the only
way the the traveling clock can be behind when reunited is if
it physically ran slower (given identical clocks). It only
appears to run at earth rate because the astronut has altered
perception. The astronut is a composition of atoms just as the
clock is, thus experiences the same effects as the clock and
all matter that is moving in that frame.
Einstein developed the geometric-mathematical theory in pure
abstract terms, without regard to physical explanations.
Interpretation is left to the reader or other authors.
I've read the material, done the math, and have proof of my
statements. How about you?