Libraries in the sand reveal Africa's academic past (I think Baron is going to cry)

....and yet when we found you you were still stuck 3000 years in the past.

Who's you? You didn't find anything. It's sickening that some White people like you use the achievments of your past ancestors and claim them as your own accomplishments. And this is a myth, that every inhabitant of south africa was an illiterate savage prior to the white mans arrival.
 
We = white people. In case you hadn't noticed this is spiralling into "us" vs. "them" and if I can't speak for "us" then I'm not sure what's going on any more.

south africa was not the first part that was discovered by the white man.
 
i don't know you and neither do my ancestors (their souls rest in peace).

what does "we" mean anyways? you and your friends came to Africa? when?
 
Funny how it's the ones whose ancestors did nothing of any worth who disassociate themselves from their ancestors like that and pounce on those who try to claim their people did something.
 
We = white people. In case you hadn't noticed this is spiralling into "us" vs. "them" and if I can't speak for "us" then I'm not sure what's going on any more.

south africa was not the first part that was discovered by the white man.

This isn't a "Us" VS "Them" This is about education. And whenever someone provides "facts" that doesn't fit in your racist point of view, you discredit the facts, without providing any of your own besides vile insults. And then turn it into a Black VS White. You, J.B/D-ster/Baron Max are racist pinheads who turn anything positive about a Black person into a negative. Because you define Blacks "only" by their worst examples. While you judge Whites only by their "Best" examples. And that's when you loose all credibility.
 
This isn't a "Us" VS "Them" This is about education. And whenever someone provides "facts" that doesn't fit in your racist point of view, you discredit the facts, without providing any of your own besides vile insults. And then turn it into a Black VS White. You, J.B/D-ster/Baron Max are racist pinheads who turn anything positive about a Black person into a negative. Because you define Blacks "only" by their worst examples. While you judge Whites only by their "Best" examples. And that's when you loose all credibility.

WORD!
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schleebenhorst, just make sure your kids don't grow up like you 'cause they'll have a hard time in our increasingly diverse world.
gone are the days where you could openly state your racist views (except typing it safely behind a computer screen of course) and not expect to get jumped or beat up and kicked back to your room.
 
So you think it's OK to meet opinion with violence lowi?

That looks like hate speech to me.

James R doesn't like hate speech....but you'll probably be OK because you're not white.
 
This isn't a "Us" VS "Them" This is about education. And whenever someone provides "facts" that doesn't fit in your racist point of view, you discredit the facts, without providing any of your own besides vile insults. And then turn it into a Black VS White. You, J.B/D-ster/Baron Max are racist pinheads who turn anything positive about a Black person into a negative. Because you define Blacks "only" by their worst examples. While you judge Whites only by their "Best" examples. And that's when you loose all credibility.

In the smallest scale it's not....but these things always turn into "us vs. them", because that's exactly what it is, in case you haven't noticed. Take a look at the world, it's full of ethnic tensions. When someone like you comes along and claims black people invented the traffic lights, shoes and atoms and all the usual nonsense you flamboyant reverse-racist types usually come out with, what sort of reaction do you expect? You're never satisfied with any answer. I mean what do you really expect the white people of sciforums.com to say? I am sorry your people were so weak that they became enslaved? I am sorry that my ancestors were successful? I am sorry that white people pulled the world from the dark ages into the space age while all your people can do is try to get a bigger slice of the white man's pie?

What are you seriously trying to achieve, and why do you have to look so hard for something positive? Will some greater peace between the races come out of it, or are you just sh*t stirring and creating hatred in the long run? Your "friend" there has already "implied" (James R seems to think that this is sufficient evidence) that violence upon me because my opinion is different to his and your own is a positive thing. Is that what you really want?
 
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gone are the days where you could openly state your racist views ... and not expect to get jumped or beat up and kicked back to your room.

Wow, are you wrong! Blacks can make racists statements any time they want to and nothing happens. But if whites make racist statements, all hell breaks loose amongst the blacks ...and the mamby-pamby liberal whites back 'em up!

But I'm truly suprised that you imply that you're happy with the loss of free speech in this great nation. That bothers me ...even for a black to say and/or imply!

Baron Max
 
Wow, are you wrong! Blacks can make racists statements any time they want to and nothing happens. But if whites make racist statements, all hell breaks loose amongst the blacks ...and the mamby-pamby liberal whites back 'em up!

But I'm truly suprised that you imply that you're happy with the loss of free speech in this great nation. That bothers me ...even for a black to say and/or imply!

Baron Max

When Blacks make those type of statements they're marginalized. Take a look at Luis Farrakhan for instance. The man has no credibility outside of his base.
 
So in other words, they did anything they could to get out of that shithole? What's that say for those who remained?
We're talking about a time 70,000 years ago in the Paleolithic Era, when mobility beyond the boundaries of a tribe's hunting/gathering territory and communication between tribes were both very limited. All it says is that the vast majority of Africans did not live close enough to the Isthmus of Suez to:

A. Know that it existed;
B. Consider crossing it as a practical idea.

A study of the geographical range of other mammal species shows that it is extremely difficult for a species to expand and adapt into an area which is markedly different in climate, ecology, or topography from the one in which it developed. Our primate ancestors with their high intelligence and prehensile hands had tens of millions of years to populate the world, yet only the hominids managed to spread out of the tropics.

Even after the diaspora out of Africa started, it took Homo sapiens 45,000 years to become established in Europe and an additional 10,000 to reach the Western Hemisphere. The narrow passages into those areas were very effective throttles on migration, even for people who had already invented sophisticated transportation technology such as seagoing boats.

And those were freeways compared to the passage from Africa to Asia Minor.
 
All it says is that the vast majority of Africans did not live close enough to the Isthmus of Suez to:

A. Know that it existed;
B. Consider crossing it as a practical idea.

The Olduvai Gorge area, where humans supposedly began, is a helluva long way from the Suez. Someone, some group of people, at some time in history, decided to do better for themselves and leave. They didn't know about the Suez at that time, so....

So for all your typing about geography, you've explained nothing about why some people left and others remained, Fraggle. Nor has your statements done anything to refuted what G. F. Schleebenhorst has implied by his questions: "So in other words, they did anything they could to get out of that shithole? What's that say for those who remained?"

You do know what's implied by his statements, don't you?

Baron Max
 
It is telling that Africa, the home of humanity, was and is, with the exclusion of aboriginal Australia, the most backwards human area. It is also telling that everyone that left (excluding the aforementioned Aboriginees) did tremendously better for themselves.
 
This whole thread is bullshit, and I am beginning to doubt the popularity of this forum. Instead of respecting the found items, they drivel over who's black and who's white. I just wonder, when will the white man get over himself? Is it untill the moon drifts away from the Earth, the whole thing is becoming too gay on this forum. Now I am not directing this at anybody but they know themselves. White people are taking advantage of other rather brilliant white people, then to claim the whole race is superior. Its not as if every single white man in history was intelligent, no, but knowledge is contagious and people easily fool themselves to be intelligent...just because they see other people like them. One of the most advanced language in human terms is english, but english did not become what it is over night, it took thousands of years to perfect it, such feat was so great that everybody decided to adopt the idea. It wasn't invented by all white people, it was invented by a few, and even that took forever. Of cause there have been many black inventors and mathematicians in history, but we should also remember that "all ideas have their time and use", maybe the time was against black inventions. Barox max will tell you black people never built a civilization, who the hell is he to know anything about black people and culture. The bullshit society you guys have in America is brainwashing him. They have been many civilizations in Africa. For one thing, all the people in West Africa are the Nok people, a civilization as far back as the Aztecs in America. The lower Nok was the Oyo kingdom, it was ruled by the house of Ife( "house of love" in English)which was the most powerful empire in all of central Africa. The upper part was more for free ranging, which eventually became influenced by Arabs, and then became the Sokoto kingdom. They were a civilized society that rivaled any society in its time. The portugese went into that region in search of trade and spread of discoveries, for some reason black africa's problem started when they discovered more knowledge. Right after the portuguese, there was chaos, divisions, and envy; the same situation in Africa today. But many states in Africa have managed to preserve wonderful art and culture...but the stupid fucks are still at it today. So there you are, a brief history for the ignoramous. If you ask me, whites can be equal to blacks, or maybe they shouldn't even be compared in the first place...maybe not. Whites are generaly good at some things and blacks are good at some things, but you can never under estimate the power of brainwashing, socio economic class, change of events, and denial. In general, I think whites are superior per 100 human, but you would never have had people like Ronadhino, pele, and michael jordan without Africa.
 
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And George Foreman. Everybody has a lean, mean, fat reducing, grilling machine.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu_Manuscripts_Project

"Timbuktu Manuscripts Project is a cultural project which aims to preserve around 700,000 scholarly Islamic manuscripts in the city of Timbuktu, Mali. Some of the manuscripts date back to the 13th century and are currently held in 24 private libraries in and around Timbuktu [1].

It also aims to make access to public and private libraries around Timbuktu more wider and easier to the Malian society and to show that the conventional historical view of Africa as a purely "oral continent" is not correct. The project begun on 2000 and it is scheduled to end in 2007"
 
The Olduvai Gorge area, where humans supposedly began, is a helluva long way from the Suez. Someone, some group of people, at some time in history, decided to do better for themselves and leave. They didn't know about the Suez at that time, so....
Sure dude, but that was two and a half million years ago! That's plenty of time for humans to spread across the continent from population pressure, shifting prey animal and food plant ranges, and natural curiosity. They weren't looking specifically for a way out of Africa, just new ground to expand to.

We don't really know for certain that no explorers set out for Asia Minor in earlier times. There's just no evidence of their success. The recently discovered possibility of an adequately expressive language being invented just in time to make that next trip successful makes sense.
So for all your typing about geography, you've explained nothing about why some people left and others remained, Fraggle.
Yes I have. The people who lived in that corner of Africa tried walking to the northeast and ran into a narrow, possibly inhospitable passage to another continent. The stronger, more adventurous ones came back with plans and supplies and went off for an adventure. The people who lived in Rhodesia and Swaziland would obviously not have been involved in that because they couldn't have known about it.
Nor has your statements done anything to refuted what G. F. Schleebenhorst has implied by his questions: "So in other words, they did anything they could to get out of that shithole? What's that say for those who remained?"
I find it a wise policy to stay out of arguments about racism except in private among people I know and trust. Anybody who wanted to crack our pseudonyms could probably do it in thirty seconds.
You do know what's implied by his statements, don't you?
Yes, and as I said I'll leave that topic for braver or more foolish folk. I doubt that in all of history anyone has ever succeeded in making anyone else change their mind about racism anyway so it's hardly worth the trouble.

I'm sure I have violated my own policy and gotten sucked into a few of these but I'm not going to do it today.
 
In general, I think whites are superior per 100 human, but you would never have had people like Ronadhino, pele, and michael jordan without Africa.

How can you say that with a straight face? Are all of them even full-blood negroids? Is that the best you can come up with for the entire black race?
 
How can you say that with a straight face? Are all of them even full-blood negroids? Is that the best you can come up with for the entire black race?

(laughs) I am not even going to begin to answer your question. Okay white people are better than blacks. Are you happy now?
 
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