Libraries in the sand reveal Africa's academic past (I think Baron is going to cry)

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TIMBUKTU, Mali (Reuters) - Researchers in Timbuktu are fighting to preserve tens of thousands of ancient texts which they say prove Africa had a written history at least as old as the European Renaissance.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/sc_nm/mali_manuscripts_dc



Private and public libraries in the fabled Saharan town in Mali have already collected 150,000 brittle manuscripts, some of them from the 13th century, and local historians believe many more lie buried under the sand.

The texts were stashed under mud homes and in desert caves by proud Malian families whose successive generations feared they would be stolen by Moroccan invaders, European explorers and then French colonialists.

Written in ornate calligraphy, some were used to teach astrology or mathematics, while others tell tales of social and business life in Timbuktu during its "Golden Age," when it was a seat of learning in the 16th century.

"These manuscripts are about all the fields of human knowledge: law, the sciences, medicine," said Galla Dicko, director of the Ahmed Baba Institute, a library housing 25,000 of the texts.

"Here is a political tract," he said, pointing to a script in a glass cabinet, somewhat dog-eared and chewed by termites. "A letter on good governance, a warning to intellectuals not to be corrupted by the power of politicians."

Bookshelves on the wall behind him contain a volume on maths and a guide to Andalusian music as well as love stories and correspondence between traders plying the trans-Saharan caravan routes.

Timbuktu's leading families have only recently started to give up what they see as ancestral heirlooms. They are being persuaded by local officials that the manuscripts should be part of the community's shared culture.

"It is through these writings that we can really know our place in history," said Abdramane Ben Essayouti, Imam of Timbuktu's oldest mosque, Djingarei-ber, built from mud bricks and wood in 1325.

HEAT, DUST AND TERMITES

Experts believe the 150,000 texts collected so far are just a fraction of what lies hidden under centuries of dust behind the ornate wooden doors of Timbuktu's mud-brick homes.

"This is just 10 percent of what we have. We think we have more than a million buried here," said Ali Ould Sidi, a government official responsible for managing the town's World Heritage Sites.

Some academics say the texts will force the West to accept Africa has an intellectual history as old as its own. Others draw comparisons with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

But as the fame of the manuscripts spreads, conservationists fear those that have survived centuries of termites and extreme heat will be sold to tourists at extortionate prices or illegally trafficked out of the country.

South Africa is spearheading "Operation Timbuktu" to protect the texts, funding a new library for the Ahmed Baba Institute, named after a Timbuktu-born contemporary of William Shakespeare.

The United States and Norway are helping with the preservation of the manuscripts, which South African President Thabo Mbeki has said will "restore the self respect, the pride, honor and dignity of the people of Africa."

The people of Timbuktu, whose universities were attended by 25,000 scholars in the 16th century but whose languid pace of life has been left behind by modernity, have similar hopes.

"The nations formed a single line and Timbuktu was at the head. But one day, God did an about-turn and Timbuktu found itself at the back," a local proverb goes.

"Perhaps one day God will do another about-turn so that Timbuktu can retake its rightful place," it adds.
 
Amazing what kind of lies you'll believe to support your insane liberal ideology that blacks are somehow "equal" to whites. ;)
 
I'm really disappointed in the quality of the reporting. Will someone please tell me what language these texts are written in? I would assume Arabic, from the background implication that the country had already fallen to Islam.
 
It was written in Arabic. The Sword of Islam Invaded the south around 640 AD. Before then the written lanaguage was Meroitic & Ge'ez.
 
It was written in Arabic. The Sword of Islam Invaded the south around 640 AD. Before then the written lanaguage was Meroitic & Ge'ez.
Meroitic and Ge'ez appear to be languages of northeastern Africa. Ge'ez is even Semitic. Did the educated people of ancient Mali actually learn these languages and do all their writing in them, rather than adapting the alphabets to their native language?

I suppose this is no different from the habit the Europeans had for a long time of writing only in Latin. But this can be traced to their status as former Roman colonies in which all formal education was performed in the language of the conquerors. Did an Ethiopian empire extend all the way to Mali?
 
The West has had a written history for 2,500 years. Eurasia as a whole for 5,000. Call me when you can develop an African civilization without the help of the Arabs.
 
Meroitic and Ge'ez appear to be languages of northeastern Africa. Ge'ez is even Semitic. Did the educated people of ancient Mali actually learn these languages and do all their writing in them, rather than adapting the alphabets to their native language?

I suppose this is no different from the habit the Europeans had for a long time of writing only in Latin. But this can be traced to their status as former Roman colonies in which all formal education was performed in the language of the conquerors. Did an Ethiopian empire extend all the way to Mali?

"Grimaldi Man", look it up, and tell me what you find.
 
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The West has had a written history for 2,500 years. Eurasia as a whole for 5,000. Call me when you can develop an African civilization without the help of the Arabs.

The Grimaldi were there in the southern tip of Africa, and traveled up the entire western coast, then came to the northwestern coast of Africa, and crossed into Spain. Not only in Spain, but all the way up to Austria; it was found that the Grimaldi had traveled and left their drawings in caves all along the way. In the Museum of Natural History, New York City, New York, you can see Grimaldi paintings going back to at least 35,000 years ago.

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/DocBen/SpreadOfAfricanCulture.html

Sorry you're wrong again, African civilization predates the Arabs and Europeans by 30,000 years. Good try though, are you ready to cry yet? Because your crutch of superiority due to pigmenation defficientcy has crumbled.
 
The Grimaldi were there in the southern tip of Africa, and traveled up the entire western coast, then came to the northwestern coast of Africa, and crossed into Spain. Not only in Spain, but all the way up to Austria; it was found that the Grimaldi had traveled and left their drawings in caves all along the way. In the Museum of Natural History, New York City, New York, you can see Grimaldi paintings going back to at least 35,000 years ago.

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/DocBen/SpreadOfAfricanCulture.html

Sorry you're wrong again, African civilization predates the Arabs and Europeans by 30,000 years. Good try though, are you ready to cry yet? Because your crutch of superiority due to pigmenation defficientcy has crumbled.
I think we have a misunderstanding of the definition of the word "civilization." It means "the building of cities." The essence of the transition from the Neolithic era to the Age of Civilization was our need to overcome our pack-social instincts. They motivate us to regard anyone whom we aren't well acquainted with or related to as a competitor for scarce resources. Cities bring tribes together and require them to live harmoniously and cooperatively with strangers. It was the second Paradigm Shift, after the invention of the technology of agriculture got us to stop living as nomadic hunter-gatherers and settle in permanent tribal villages in the first place.

Cities leave behind vast quantities of sturdy ruins that last for millennia. Urban trash alone leaves evidence that even a first-year archeology student can identify. There are no ruins of 30,000-year-old cities. The oldest city that has been excavated is probably Jericho, which only goes back about 10,000 years. And it was not built by Europeans or Arabs.

Thirty thousand years ago was the Paleolithic Era. Humans had not developed agriculture and therefore had not stopped living migratory lives. They were not living in permanent settlements of any kind, much less cities. Nomadic life severely restricts the development of culture to a very primitive level because everything that people create--tools, clothing, art--has to be carried.
 
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TIMBUKTU, Mali (Reuters) - Researchers in Timbuktu are fighting to preserve tens of thousands of ancient texts which they say prove Africa had a written history at least as old as the European Renaissance.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/sc_nm/mali_manuscripts_dc



Private and public libraries in the fabled Saharan town in Mali have already collected 150,000 brittle manuscripts, some of them from the 13th century, and local historians believe many more lie buried under the sand.

The texts were stashed under mud homes and in desert caves by proud Malian families whose successive generations feared they would be stolen by Moroccan invaders, European explorers and then French colonialists.

Written in ornate calligraphy, some were used to teach astrology or mathematics, while others tell tales of social and business life in Timbuktu during its "Golden Age," when it was a seat of learning in the 16th century.

"These manuscripts are about all the fields of human knowledge: law, the sciences, medicine," said Galla Dicko, director of the Ahmed Baba Institute, a library housing 25,000 of the texts.

"Here is a political tract," he said, pointing to a script in a glass cabinet, somewhat dog-eared and chewed by termites. "A letter on good governance, a warning to intellectuals not to be corrupted by the power of politicians."

Bookshelves on the wall behind him contain a volume on maths and a guide to Andalusian music as well as love stories and correspondence between traders plying the trans-Saharan caravan routes.

Timbuktu's leading families have only recently started to give up what they see as ancestral heirlooms. They are being persuaded by local officials that the manuscripts should be part of the community's shared culture.

"It is through these writings that we can really know our place in history," said Abdramane Ben Essayouti, Imam of Timbuktu's oldest mosque, Djingarei-ber, built from mud bricks and wood in 1325.

HEAT, DUST AND TERMITES

Experts believe the 150,000 texts collected so far are just a fraction of what lies hidden under centuries of dust behind the ornate wooden doors of Timbuktu's mud-brick homes.

"This is just 10 percent of what we have. We think we have more than a million buried here," said Ali Ould Sidi, a government official responsible for managing the town's World Heritage Sites.

Some academics say the texts will force the West to accept Africa has an intellectual history as old as its own. Others draw comparisons with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

But as the fame of the manuscripts spreads, conservationists fear those that have survived centuries of termites and extreme heat will be sold to tourists at extortionate prices or illegally trafficked out of the country.

South Africa is spearheading "Operation Timbuktu" to protect the texts, funding a new library for the Ahmed Baba Institute, named after a Timbuktu-born contemporary of William Shakespeare.

The United States and Norway are helping with the preservation of the manuscripts, which South African President Thabo Mbeki has said will "restore the self respect, the pride, honor and dignity of the people of Africa."

The people of Timbuktu, whose universities were attended by 25,000 scholars in the 16th century but whose languid pace of life has been left behind by modernity, have similar hopes.

"The nations formed a single line and Timbuktu was at the head. But one day, God did an about-turn and Timbuktu found itself at the back," a local proverb goes.

"Perhaps one day God will do another about-turn so that Timbuktu can retake its rightful place," it adds.

I'm not surprised at this. It would take a complete fool to believe that just because a country is organized different that it's somehow inferior.

Africans had text, and math, and civilizations, verbal language was invented in Africa, and the most complex forms of communication verbally are still African languages. Music was also invented there, and used as a form of communication, and to induce trances.

Of course if people were to see this from an outside point of view, they'd see a bunch of savages in trances dancing around doing weird rituals. But how is this any different from how Africans and Native Americans viewed the European war ritual as savage?

Basically all the civilizations have it's brilliance and it's stupidity. No civilization is immune to being savage.
 
What have white people done recently? More than lying about raping and killing Jonbenet Ramsey?


White people invented the personal computer. Notice I said the personal computer, not the super computer, or the internet.

Some guy from Africa who they call the black bill gates helped invent a super computer. Philip Emeagwali is his name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Emeagwali

I don't know if he invented the first super computer, but he definately invented internet super computing. The type of computer where hundreds or thousands of computers connect over the internet to cure say, cancer, or to do a big calculation.

Some of his other claims are debateable, as to exactly how big or how small his contribution was, but it seems obviously he did make a contribution to super computing over the internet.

Philip Emeagwali (born 1954) is a Nigerian-born computer scientist/geologist who was one of two winners of the 1989 Gordon Bell Prize, a prize from the IEEE, for his use of the Connection Machine supercomputer to help analyse petroleum fields. He received $1000 US for this award.

He won the prize, for his USE of the connection machine super computer to analyze petroleum fields.

Basically, in every field of study, from math, to science, to language, to neuro-science, every form of technology has an array of different cultures and people working in these industries.

We should give credit to Europeans for inventing the computer, we should give credit to Europeans for inventing programming languages, and the personal computer, but the broader the technology, the more influence it recieves from the global population. Take the internet, it started out just in America, but even the internet was developed by programmers of all races, all genders, in all parts of the world, just observe the open source movement as a perfect example.

Linux was created by everyone. So I'd say, Europeans have mastery over the sciences, above everyone else, but then after it's made, everyone else refines it and improves it. In Japan, they took the science and improved on it, in China they make it cheaper, in India they program everything, and then you have Africans who figure out how to use it analyze petroleum fields, and Americans who will use it to build websites and create entire industries out of that, and so on and so forth.

The idea may originate in the mind of a European, to create the internet for military purposes, but then it's the people who actually build it and make it practical, and extend it into the real world.

Another example is space technology, Europeans built that, and can take credit for going into space and building up the space technology, but the private sector, the space industry, will require the support of minorities, because if you want to make it "cool" to go into space, or actually have reasons to put stuff in space besides military, well you'll need people who can think up how an ordinary person would need satelties in space, cellphones, notice most of the cellphone usage started in urban environments?

What I think will happen in the future is that each group will find it's niche, as th economy grows. When it comes to the city, or urban environments, only people who live there or who know the environment will be able to design products for that environment and then make those products cool. So there will be a huge market due to the fact that there will be a lot of demand for new toys, PDAs and whatever else. I don't think anyone else is focused on design right now besides minorities in the USA, because in China, they build stuff thats cheaper but it's not well designed, it breaks easily, just buy something from Walmart and find out.

In Japan they sell stuff that is refined versions of American inventions. Basically, in order for the economy to grow forever you need endless new ideas, and unlimited forms for products, designs are the ones who create the forms, handle the marketing, and make stuff practical.

If Africa is to have a role I'd predict it would be in the design and marketing industry first, and then eventually develop into the urban niche market, very much like what Japan once did.
The science and technology would still be invented by Europeans, but the products and marketing would be exported to people who know the market and how to make stuff cool and practical.

This is all my opinion here, it could be wrong, but seriously, in America today most people still can't figure out how to use the personal computer, but everyone knows how to use the cellphone.
 
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The Grimaldi were there in the southern tip of Africa, and traveled up the entire western coast, then came to the northwestern coast of Africa, and crossed into Spain. Not only in Spain, but all the way up to Austria; it was found that the Grimaldi had traveled and left their drawings in caves all along the way. In the Museum of Natural History, New York City, New York, you can see Grimaldi paintings going back to at least 35,000 years ago.

http://www.nbufront.org/html/MastersMuseums/DocBen/SpreadOfAfricanCulture.html

Sorry you're wrong again, African civilization predates the Arabs and Europeans by 30,000 years. Good try though, are you ready to cry yet? Because your crutch of superiority due to pigmenation defficientcy has crumbled.
I like this chap.
 
It wouldn't surprise me much since Egypt is in Africa and borders other countries with populations that are largely black... and if you google for egyptian wall paintings you see mostly black people.

Whats so great about this anyway?
 
No you don't, Someguy. The majority of Egyptian artwork is of distinctly non-negro character.
 
Verbal language was invented in Africa
This alone should confer permanent honor on the Africans. Linguistic analysis using massively parallel computing continues to classify the world's languages into a smaller number of larger families. If the hypothesis is substantiated that there is only one language family, then that means that the technology of spoken language was invented in Africa. Language provides the ability to plan, organize and share information, and might very well be what made it possible to successfully migrate out of Africa in the first place.
 
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