And on and on and on and on and on and on
A very telling statement, Lou.
You asked for one difference. I gave you a fundamental difference. You called it arbitrary. Just because you say so doesn't mean you're right, Lou. That you're willing to dismiss considerations of fetal viability and how the fetus continues to survive as arbitrary reminds that your argument is without substance.
Given that the discussion was based on your warped digression intended to avoid a point, I'm not surprised that you continue to attempt to define the discussion according to your political needs.
Let us consider this point of yours:
This is one of those dishonest, irresponsible injections of presumption that makes it easier for you to form an argument. I'm sorry if the truth of what people actually believe is too complex for you, Lou, but attempting to reduce the argument to such a moronic contrast really is an exercise in idiocy.
Babies can't run away only to be shot in the back? Of course not, Lou! Duh! But their mothers can!
Like I said then: Understand that it's a difficult proposition to find your point credible. You don't seem to respect your intelligence. Why should anyone else?
Seriously, when you demand that the discussion be reduced to idiot simplicity, how do you really expect people to regard you?
Sovereign territory. When something happens inside your body, Lou, we'll see if you continue to think the difference between that and what happens outside your body is arbitrary.
That you should have to reach to such stupid, inflammatory crap, Lou? Is it really all you're capable of? Is this how you want to be viewed? As you're aware, I can certainly accommodate you.
Ever read Lysistrata?
I find it hard to disagree. I will, however, suggest that there is a difference between allowing the discussion to falter and fail on its own and posting a flame bait topic.
Seriously, you and I could spend some time formulating a purely academic juxtaposition drawn from the historical record and put those in front of the audience, and the discussion would fall apart of its own accord. Or we could do what Norsefire did. I could poison a discussion at the outset, too. So could you.
Cutting to the chase is one thing, but when that means skipping to rancid flame bait, there's a question of whether one should bother.
Dr. Lou Natic said:
You didn't win the argument you quote, getting the last word doesn't mean you were right
A very telling statement, Lou.
like I said, your distinction is arbitrary, you still haven't explained how it isn't.
You asked for one difference. I gave you a fundamental difference. You called it arbitrary. Just because you say so doesn't mean you're right, Lou. That you're willing to dismiss considerations of fetal viability and how the fetus continues to survive as arbitrary reminds that your argument is without substance.
Defining "independent existence" as not being physically attached 24/7 is a peculiar and illogical cut off point given the weight of the consequences at hand.
Given that the discussion was based on your warped digression intended to avoid a point, I'm not surprised that you continue to attempt to define the discussion according to your political needs.
Let us consider this point of yours:
How this could make it more deserving of death defies rational reasoning
This is one of those dishonest, irresponsible injections of presumption that makes it easier for you to form an argument. I'm sorry if the truth of what people actually believe is too complex for you, Lou, but attempting to reduce the argument to such a moronic contrast really is an exercise in idiocy.
Babies can't run away only to be shot in the back? Of course not, Lou! Duh! But their mothers can!
Like I said then: Understand that it's a difficult proposition to find your point credible. You don't seem to respect your intelligence. Why should anyone else?
Seriously, when you demand that the discussion be reduced to idiot simplicity, how do you really expect people to regard you?
You can point out how there is a difference between a post-birth baby and a pre-birth baby, good work, you pass a biology exam, but this sub forum is about ethics and morality and you can't explain how this arbitrary difference in stage of development is significant in relation to one's "right to life".
Sovereign territory. When something happens inside your body, Lou, we'll see if you continue to think the difference between that and what happens outside your body is arbitrary.
It follows they'd be happy to wear a blindfold and stomp on a meaty lump on the ground, but would be appauled if they could see it was a baby.
That you should have to reach to such stupid, inflammatory crap, Lou? Is it really all you're capable of? Is this how you want to be viewed? As you're aware, I can certainly accommodate you.
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Clusteringflux said:
The "choice" comes BEFORE you have sex and bring someone else into the picture. Protected or not, If you can't deal with perenthood, don't have intercourse.
Ever read Lysistrata?
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Mikenostic said:
It doesn't matter if a Nobel Peace Prize winner constructs/leads/starts off the topic, liberals vs. conservatives NEVER leads to an informative and respectful debate
I find it hard to disagree. I will, however, suggest that there is a difference between allowing the discussion to falter and fail on its own and posting a flame bait topic.
Seriously, you and I could spend some time formulating a purely academic juxtaposition drawn from the historical record and put those in front of the audience, and the discussion would fall apart of its own accord. Or we could do what Norsefire did. I could poison a discussion at the outset, too. So could you.
Cutting to the chase is one thing, but when that means skipping to rancid flame bait, there's a question of whether one should bother.