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Well yes if the entire weight of the city is supported by the planets surface then yes one would assume that it would be impossible for the Worlds crust to support it. But then again we could imagine it possessing an anti gravity capability making its weight 0. We could spend endless hours of fun in speculation using human logic. :D

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So then just sticking to logic, taking out the assumptions, we are left with earth would not be able to support NJ. Continuing the logic, NJ would have it's own gravity, taking into account the large amount of precious stones and gold. But this is off topic.
 
Well it will not be landing any time soon, not for at least another 1000 years anyway. So it’s not something we have to worry about anyway. I do remember reading that the mountainous areas of the promised land will be made flat and there would be a massive plain. Just like a good flat landing site :) i can imagine the day when the NJ comes down and lands smack bang in the middle if the Messiah's Kindgom. Hopefully i will be around to see it :D

Off topic: well i suppose the topic is when the return of our Messiah will be. I believe it will be soon because the technological development needed to fulfill the prophesy in the book of Revelation has been developed. All that is needed is for the sorrows and the great tribulation to begin. I believe the sorrows have started already.

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Well Abstar, for starters, if you read Mat 24 starting at 15 with the stars falling and powers shaken then the tribulation has already happened.
 
Well Abstar, for starters, if you read Mat 24 starting at 15 with the stars falling and powers shaken then the tribulation has already happened.
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Hi FieryIce :)
it all depends on what one interprets the "stars" to be. There are generally two general way peoples thoughts on prophesy go.

1) They tend to see things mentioned in prophesy as symbolic.

1) Or they tend to have more literal interpretations of prophesy.

I see the book of Revelation as having both literal and symbolic meaning. We both see the NJ as a literal city. So we are in agreement on that point ;) but many people i have talked to see it as a symbolic representation of the body of Christ,,, that is the all the true believers.

I assume you see the stars as symbolic of Angels? maybe? satans angels?
i see them as a great meteorite shower that will re-enter the earth’s atmosphere after the earth is struck by a large meteor. i see this striking one of the oceans of the world during the near future. did you watch the movie deep impact? kind of like that only a lot worse. why do i see this? because of the sequence of events foretold in the book of Revelation, that is the string of disasters foretold.



Revelation 8
8 Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood. 9And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

Sounds like a description of a large meteor entering earths atmosphere to me. See how John says it is "Like a great mountain burning with fire", if it was an actual mountain he sure would have identified it as such but he states it is like a burning mountain.

Now lets look for the reference to the stars falling from the sky:



Revelation 6
12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood.

Now what do you think the effect would be of a massive meteor strike on the earth surface. A massive shock wave travelling around the world causing the greatest earth quake the world has ever seen? And think of the massive amounts of debris kicked up into the atmosphere and also ejected into lower earth orbit, making the sun darken and the moon turn blood red like it is shining through iron dust maybe?



Revelation 6
13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

Now the stars falling to the earth? looks like a good first century description of a massive debris shower re-entering the earth’s atmosphere as the matter kicked up from the impact of the meteor comes back to earth. What do people call little pieces of space rock that enters into our atmosphere? that’s right a falling star. As for the " sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up " i have heard this interpreted as the nuclear mushroom cloud when it ascends into the upper atmosphere it is seen to roll like a scroll. But that is only over a limited area isn't it. Imagine what the massive mushroom cloud of a meteorite impact would look like from the ground? like the whole sky rolling away like a scroll into darkness?



Revelation 6
15And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"

Well the great men of the world have indeed made their great bunkers in the mountains in the best granite rock for protection against nuclear attack. and i bet they will run for their privileged places when this thing strikes. But of course their well stocked and reinforced underground complexes will become their tombs... eventually.

I find a lot of similarities with the prophecies of Daniel especially his dream interpritation He had:



Daniel 2
31"You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome. 32This image's head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. 34You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. 35Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

It is interesting to me that the last great empire is destroyed by a stone cast at its feet bring it all crashing down. note how feet have ten toes, and think of the Beast the world power that the anti-messiah will lead at the end days it has 10 horns in the book of Revealtion.

As the old chinese curse goes: "may you live in interesting times" i think we are living in the most interesting times in human history.

i have more thoughts on the beast of Revelation if your interested?


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The falling stars represent fallen angels is a correct analogy, the mountains we are told what they represent, kings, in Rev. 17:9-10 and waters or sea represent people.

Different versions of the bible are worded slightly different, in Rev. 6:14 the scroll rolled together sounds very much like the saying even used in the military, let's wrap this up and get home.
 
The falling stars represent fallen angels is a correct analogy, the mountains we are told what they represent, kings, in Rev. 17:9-10 and waters or sea represent people.
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Yes you are right the bible does use stars as symbolic representations of Angels and in Revelation i believe the following scripture is symbolic of angels.

Revelation 12
3And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days. 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

I would feel more confident in revelation 6 being a representation of satans angels being cast down to earth if it mentioned them as a third.

Revelation 6
13And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place.

See how it says "the stars of heaven fell to the earth" not 1/3rd of the stars of heaven fell to the earth?

i feel the book of Revelation is a blend of both symbolic and literal. I believe it was delivered that way for a purpose That is to hide its meaning until the times in which it is needed and to hide its meaning from those whom God does not want the message revealed.

As for the 7 mountains depicted in rev 17

Revelation 17
9"Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

I have no strong feeling on what they represent. I do not know. i have heard that they are the mountains that the city of rome stands on i have also heard they represent 7 great empires that have supported the babylonian religion, the whore. And now you have them as 7 kings? fair enough. Oh one thing just popped into my head while i was writing that. i am thinking of that stone that crashed into the statue with the iron and clay feet and that scripture goes on to say that the stone grew to become a great mountain that

Daniel 2
34You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. 35Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

We know that the returned Messiah will be the leader of the kingdom of heaven on earth. So i see the mountain that filled the whole earth as symbolic of the Messianic kingdom. What do you think ?

Blessings to you FieryIce :)

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Mountains, the king is just the top of the empire, your splitting hairs.

The one third that the tail throws down is a separate event from the throwing down of Lucifer, the ancient dragon so the Rev. 6 "stars of heaven fell to the earth" does not have to mention the one third, they were already thrown down.

Arn't you concerning yourself with small detail and not looking at the big picture, actually mega big universe intergalactic picture?

Jesus is referred to as the corner stone so anything that is His could also be the used as a stone.

There are only a few prophecies left to be completed but then I wonder do they really have to be fulfilled if time is cut short on account of the elect?
 
Water can also represent truth, such as the springs of the fountain or drink for the thursty.
 
As mentioned with the advancement of technological understandings and the amount of astronomical data we now have we can see a pretty clear picture of the Big Picture of the Universe. It would stand to reason that there would be a government or authority over that vast empire of galaxy systems.

I do think we are at a threshold of being brought into that vast collective of sentient intelligent beings.
 
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There are only a few prophecies left to be completed but then I wonder do they really have to be fulfilled if time is cut short on account of the elect?
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What will happen will happen when it will happen. There are laws at work here, principals and so on. Bear in mind that it would be easier to do away with the heavens and the earth than it would be to remove even the smallest one of God's laws.
God cannot be provoked into acting against his own laws. If prophecy is fulfilled it is fulfilled in the mercy shown to the elect, outside of that prophecy "it did not happen"
 
nicoman is a prime example of information control and acquisition gone amuck.
 
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