Originally posted by Adam
I'll try to make my initial question clearer...
Assume for the sake of discussion that a single being created everything.
Now, here we are in the universe, living, doing our thing. We want to believe we have free will, correct? (I hope we all do.)
Any interference in the universe whatsoever from that god would mean some factor or factors of this universe are out of our hands, or out of the hands of what we know as natural to the universe, and in the guidence of some being. That would be a limit on our freedom.
Likewise, if we knew without doubt that this god existed, if we had evidence, would that not give us the idea that there is some other who is responsible for things, perhaps for our thoughts, words, and actions? Would that not also be an infringement upon our free will?
My thought when I began this thread was "Only in a universe without a creator/controller can free will exist". Thus, if we accept that a creator/god exists, we can either: assume we do not have free will; or assume that we have free will, in which case this creator/god is 100% apart from and outside our universe and will never have anything at all to do with any of us.
You are very right in the sense that God cannot take away our freewill 100%..But you do have a question....What about divine intervention? Shouldnt that be a violation of our freewill as well? No...Definitely not, this is common sense.
When People asked Jesus to heal them, Jesus always end with the words "YOUR FAITH HAS HEALED YOU". Even some of them were healed without asking Jesus to do so, just because of their faith "LIKE THE WOMAN WHO WAS BLEEDING FOR MANY YEARS but was healed when touching the cloak of Jesus"....Jesus didnt say "My Power has healed you", but he said "YOUR Faith has healed you".........
In the book of Genesis, it says "Thus the heavens and the earth and all its array are completed"...Everything necessary in our survival has been completed from the beggining. We are capable of emotions and judgment, and FAITH as well, the key to the heart of God...(SDont be caught up in a literal sense of the genesis, where God abandoned the earth, and all the creation never reproduce, ...It just means that everything necessary, the laws of nature, the design of the universe, etc. are all completed, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT GOD WILL NOT CREATE ANYTHING ANYMORE....)
A Divine intervention takes place because YOU MAKE IT TAKE PLACE...You asked for it.......You are using your freewill, using your faith, and that faith caused you healing, whether you are a christian or not, atheists or theists, LIKWE JESUS SAID "YOUR FAITH WILL HEAL YOU"....YOU MAY LABEL THIS OCCURENCE AS "PLACEBO" OR "MIRACLE" OR "GIANT PURPLE SQUID MONKEY" OR "GLUTAMATE MONOSODIUM OXIDE HYDRO CHEMICAL BRAIN IMPULSE" I DONT CARE HOW YOU LABEL IT, CALL IT "WACKO JACKO CHEMICAL" IF YOU WANT....BUT THE FACT HERE IS JESUS SAID YOUR FAITH WILL HEAL YOU REGARDLESS OF BELIEF........"IF YOU DONOT BELIEVE I AM THE SON OF GOD, THEN BELIEVE WHAT I DO"- JESUS CHRIST....IN OTHER WORDS "IF YOU DONT WANT TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD, THEN ATLEAST BELIEVE WHAT JESUS DO, BE MORALLY GOOD, BE GENEROUS, LOVING, MERCIFULL, KIND, ETC...AND AT THE END YOU WILL BE REWARDED DESPITE OF YOUR RACE, NATIONALITY, OR RELIGION........"
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"If you have a faith as small as a mustard seed, you can tell a mountain to move from here to there, and it will move.."- Jesus Christ....
This indeed is true..The power of the mind goes as far as to bend spoons just with a slight touch of fingers..Some can swallow razor sharp steel, alloys and metals and not get harmed, some can walk on fire for over 2 minutes and not get burned (unlike the pathetic skeptics who can only try it for few seconds). All this have been demonstrated. They even theorized that the power of the mind goes as far as to healing it self of incurable cancers (a theory which cannot be proven..)...
THE POINT HERE IS THAT JESUS WORDS ARE TRUE, THAT THERE IS POWER IN FAITH, SKEPTICS (JAMES RANDI) OR ATHEISTS SHOULD RECOGNIZE THIS FACT (UNLESS IF YOUR A RETARD).......