Jailed for Sending Kids to Better School District

[adoucette]

Seems to me any system creating realistic competition among all schools for all students would be insanely expensive - for the overcapacity alone, let alone the busing, hiring, transfer of materials, etc.

How are you planning to set this up?

Something like this:

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Sweden-s-School-Voucher-System-a-Model-for-America

Arthur

 

[Trooper]

California doesn't even do tenure programs anymore, but it still has one of the lowest quality educations in the country. There will always be teachers that are bad for some students and good for others. I don't think it's just about the teachers. Teachers don't make the rules they just follow them. Even if the majority of the class is struggling with a topic they have to plow forward. The education system in the US needs a complete overhaul. There is no quick fix. It's absurd that the US has such terrible primary education, yet many US universities are the some of the best in the world.

Where did you find that information? I know that there was a Senate Bill 955, sponsored by Sen. Bob Huff that would permit schools to make their own staffing decisions by evaluating teacher effectiveness. However, I can’t find anything showing that the law is now in effect. It looks like it was sent to the rules committee for a cooling off period.

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/SB_955/20092010/

http://www.dailynews.com/opinions/ci_15154417

http://teachersunionexposed.com/state.cfm?state=CA

 

[iceaura]

How are you planning to set this up?
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Something like this:

And every student brings with him the same amount of per pupil funding as the cost of the public school in his or her home district.

But under our system, equal terms work both ways. If a school chooses to be part of the voucher system, it has to be all-inclusive, provide national standards and have its performance monitored. And it has no right to charge its students fees beyond the voucher. The purpose was to create equal financial conditions while protecting the ultimate right of the voters and taxpayers to create a budget for spending on schools. Since the public school still often is the default choice, that means that independent schools need to be more creative, productive or academically successful with equal funding in order to compete.

With 15 years of experience, we in Sweden can summarize the effects. Education’s private sector share of students has grown from 1 percent to 10 to 15 percent, depending on grades.

Cool. So you aren't planning on saving any money, and most students attend government public schools, and the rich still have to pay full taxes, but you probably get a quality improvement in a socialized community (where, for example, the per pupil expenditures are equalized via the Federal government). And parents don't feel as though their children are trapped.

I can see that working in Minnesota, if we can get the tax increase and revenue sharing setup through the State legislature. And some more money for busing, trains, etc.

 

[pjdude1219]

California doesn't even do tenure programs anymore, but it still has one of the lowest quality educations in the country. There will always be teachers that are bad for some students and good for others. I don't think it's just about the teachers. Teachers don't make the rules they just follow them. Even if the majority of the class is struggling with a topic they have to plow forward. The education system in the US needs a complete overhaul. There is no quick fix. It's absurd that the US has such terrible primary education, yet many US universities are the some of the best in the world.

well before you can deal with bad teachers you need to deal with not enough teachers

 

[Fraggle Rocker]

well before you can deal with bad teachers you need to deal with not enough teachers

Too many bureaucrats in the school system. Too much tax money is being siphoned off to pay them instead of hiring more teachers. The Archdiocese of New York has fully half as many students in the parochial schools as the City of New York has in the public schools. Yet it gets by with only one-tenth the number of "administrators." (This statistic is more than ten years old but I doubt that it has changed to a more favorable number.)

 

[SilentLi89]

Where did you find that information? I know that there was a Senate Bill 955, sponsored by Sen. Bob Huff that would permit schools to make their own staffing decisions by evaluating teacher effectiveness. However, I can’t find anything showing that the law is now in effect. It looks like it was sent to the rules committee for a cooling off period.

http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/SB_955/20092010/

http://www.dailynews.com/opinions/ci_15154417

http://teachersunionexposed.com/state.cfm?state=CA

I guess I was wrong, sorry.