isnt it wierd that we havent seen any aliens?
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I didn't say it would help understand us. I said to understand the universe, like any scientist. So you would be implying humans are the sum of their biochemistry? Could a complete understanding of our biochemistry and genetics predict our social interactions, I think not...glenn239 said:
As screwed up as human society is, do any of you honestly believe aliens would have any interest in making contact with us? They'd probably be afraid to catch our "Stupid". I believe Tommy Lee Jones said it best when referring to a fictional alien race in "Men In Black" when he said, "Humans are looked upon as an infectious disease. Kind of makes you proud, doesn't it?"
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Arquibus said:
Personally I'm perplexed why an extraterrestrial species would be in the slightest bit interested in a species like ours in the first place - The flora and fauna the rest of the world contains, certainly. But us? Never in a million years...
elfboy said:sorry Serb05 what i ment was that aliens have not visted earth not that they dont exsist at all. im sure there is lots of life out there but they sure as hell dont care about us!
You're sure about that? Even though you have no clue if there is real aliens or how they would see life/interact, you assume they wouldn't be interested in visiting other worlds and learning more about the universe?
I've never seen any aliens, but I've seen a couple of UFO's from a distance. The one that truly amazed me seemed to be very high up in the atmosphere and travelling pretty fast in a straight line and as I followed its trajectory, it suddenly turned 90 degrees and accelerated off into space! It was an incredible sight and I don't think it was man-made.
Yes - but within the limits of chaos theory, of course.
How many flowers do you know of that might, given a few thousand years, figure out how to smash a 2,000 ton warhead through your home planet at .99c?
This isn't an uncommon form of sighting - I can think of two people off the top of my head that said they witnessed much the same thing up here in Canada. Both were in northern Ontario. One was exactly as you describe - an object at very high altitude, presumed to be a satellite, suddenly making a sharp turn.
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I have a really mean geranium that I have great hopes for.glenn239 said:
A point that seems to missed by several posters: aliens will be alien. Different. Strangely different. Unpredictably different. Unimaginably different. Radically different. Different in form and function, different in biochemistry and behaviour, different in motivation and actions. Alien. The trouble is that the word alien has become to familiar to us, so that we think aliens will also be familiar when finally meet them. They wont be. They will be alien.
We can reasonably expect any aliens to be bioengineered products of evolution - meaning that there should be an underlying sameness to their objectives as we have here. Differences will abound - countless numbers. But in the end, they'll be able to tell which of us, between humans and roses, constitute a potential menace to their security.
Power politics may be the currency of the galaxy. For the fragility of our environment, and the horrific energy levels inherent to any species that can move between stars, demand that any intelligent species is, at some level, a dire threat.
"if the galaxy is full of aliens,then why havent we seen any evidnce of them?"
What exactly do you think evidence of aliens in this galaxy will look like? Aliens could be so completely different from ourselves that we wouldn't recognise evidence of their existence as evidence!
There are people who believe that psilocybin mushroom are an extraterrestrial species that arrived on earth to form a symbiotic relationship with humans.
http://www.eatel.net/~nukenet/guide/psilocybin.html
"Studies conducted by astrophysicists at the University of Leiden in Netherlands have determined that certain mushroom spores could survive up to 45 million years in interstellar transit. (see Nature - Aug 1, 1985). "
http://www.tripzine.com/print.asp?id=tm2
"Psilocybin is 4-phosphoryloxy-NN-dimethyltryptamine. This is slightly technical, but it is the only 4-phosphorylated indole on this planet. That's strange because the way biology works is if you have a molecule useful in a biological system, then in other biological systems you will get that same molecule or tiny variants; methylated or o-methylated. So here is psilocybin with the only hydrolation in the 4 position on the planet. Well now, they search for extraterrestrial life with radio telescopes waiting for a signal. Fine. Another way would be to search the biological inventory of this planet for something that looks like it did not evolve from the main, broad flow of animal and plant evolution. And if you do that, this 4-phosphorylated indole is sticking up there like a sore thumb. I'd like to see a paper about how many of these kinds of chemical anomalies are known to exist on this earth in life. And what's the explanation for this? I've never seen anybody discuss this kind of thing. And yet to my mind the psilocybin molecule is as artificial as a Coke bottle."
What exactly do you think evidence of aliens in this galaxy will look like? Aliens could be so completely different from ourselves that we wouldn't recognise evidence of their existence as evidence!
There are people who believe that psilocybin mushroom are an extraterrestrial species that arrived on earth to form a symbiotic relationship with humans.
http://www.eatel.net/~nukenet/guide/psilocybin.html
"Studies conducted by astrophysicists at the University of Leiden in Netherlands have determined that certain mushroom spores could survive up to 45 million years in interstellar transit. (see Nature - Aug 1, 1985). "
http://www.tripzine.com/print.asp?id=tm2
"Psilocybin is 4-phosphoryloxy-NN-dimethyltryptamine. This is slightly technical, but it is the only 4-phosphorylated indole on this planet. That's strange because the way biology works is if you have a molecule useful in a biological system, then in other biological systems you will get that same molecule or tiny variants; methylated or o-methylated. So here is psilocybin with the only hydrolation in the 4 position on the planet. Well now, they search for extraterrestrial life with radio telescopes waiting for a signal. Fine. Another way would be to search the biological inventory of this planet for something that looks like it did not evolve from the main, broad flow of animal and plant evolution. And if you do that, this 4-phosphorylated indole is sticking up there like a sore thumb. I'd like to see a paper about how many of these kinds of chemical anomalies are known to exist on this earth in life. And what's the explanation for this? I've never seen anybody discuss this kind of thing. And yet to my mind the psilocybin molecule is as artificial as a Coke bottle."
Not a bad idea at all – but how can it be proven beyond doubt that the magic mushroom you mention is alien, as opposed to the last survivor in a defunct evolutionary line?
Yes, but Haldane had a great many gay friends.
We can expect with certainty that any form of life in the universe will conform to the laws of physics, to have undergone the process of evolution, and perhaps in cases to have been bio-engineered as well. What we DON’T know is the absolute limits of “bizarreness” that these basic preconditions will allow. What I would suggest is that, if life is like anything else, God will have a giant “WTF” bell-curve graph sitting somewhere on his desk in which all the forms of life in the universe are compared for relative weirdness. We’re probably sitting in the middle of the bell curve.
When in doubt, we must guess that we are typical.