Is Time Travel Real?

[Sci-Phenomena]

Humans cannot travel through time, because time is a concept which describes a rate. (the rate at which heavenly bodies move, days year etc)

If you think time travel is possible, then you have to explain to me how you are going to re-arange the entire universe EXACTLY back to the way it was before, and that means bringing people from the dead, hahaha!!

I'm sorry, you cannot travel through concepts, especially since relativity is such a big conceptual farce itself.

 

[Prince_James]

Imaplanck:

"Of course it is! The travelling plane returns to it's starting point 0.0001(very aprox, to keep things simple) seconds into the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele-Keating_experiment"

No time was travelled. The experience of time was slower for the clocks on said planes. This is again, owing to reference frames as brought about by the relativistic forces at play whenever something is accelerated.

"LOL! No it is not, The effect of speed does not slow down atomic movement! nothing is physically slowed down in it's own reference frame. It is merely slowed down from the refence frame of a stationary observer."

Precisely what I had meant.

"Learn relativity in the least bit properly before spouting crap!"

Considering you're the one claiming "time travel" has taken place, when no such "travel through time" was accomplished...

Again: Reference frames.

Proper understanding of relativity shows this is not a "travel through time".

From the vantage point of someone on the ground, those on the plane experienced time at a slower rate. If we take the ground as the "reference point to make observations from" (which we are in saying the plane went into the "future") then it is valid to say this.

 

[imaplanck.]

Imaplanck:

"Of course it is! The travelling plane returns to it's starting point 0.0001(very aprox, to keep things simple) seconds into the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele-Keating_experiment"

No time was travelled. The experience of time was slower for the clocks on said planes. This is again, owing to reference frames as brought about by the relativistic forces at play whenever something is accelerated.

"LOL! No it is not, The effect of speed does not slow down atomic movement! nothing is physically slowed down in it's own reference frame. It is merely slowed down from the refence frame of a stationary observer."

Precisely what I had meant.

"Learn relativity in the least bit properly before spouting crap!"

Considering you're the one claiming "time travel" has taken place, when no such "travel through time" was accomplished....

The planes time has remained the same but when it returns the and sinqs clocks the earth is slightly older than when it set out, so the frigging plane has indeed travelled into the future!

Proper understanding of relativity shows this is not a "travel through time".

From the vantage point of someone on the ground, those on the plane experienced time at a slower rate..

NO! WRONG! The people on the plane never experienced a slower rate of time even from the grounds point of view. The people on the ground observed the planes clock as slowed down.

If we take the ground as the "reference point to make observations from" (which we are in saying the plane went into the "future") then it is valid to say this.

No! Cant you get anything right? From the ground frame of reference the planes clock is behind and therefor in the past. From the planes point of reference time hasn't slowed, but the ground clock to which it returns has gained, so therefor the people on the plane have travelled into the future.

 

[imaplanck.]

heres a link to time dilation, with a specific reference to the traveller moving at a significant LS will travel into the future, incase you stilol haven't got it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

 

[Prince_James]

Imaplanck:

"The planes time has remained the same but when it returns the and sinqs clocks the earth is slightly older than when it set out, so the frigging plane has indeed travelled into the future! "

Again: Not at all. Reference frames...

"NO! WRONG! The people on the plane never experienced a slower rate of time even from the grounds point of view. The people on the ground observed the planes clock as slowed down."

Let's say that 60 hours have passed on the ground and 59 hours and 59 minutes have passed according to the cecium clock.

Let's say that every minute (and this is incorrect of course but for simplicity's sake...) that cecium atom vibrates 1 time.

According to the clock on the ground, there has been 3600 vibrations.

According to the clock in the plane, there has been 3599 vibrations.

Thus from the reference frame of the Earth, which has had 60 hours pass exactly, the plane experienced only 59 hours and 59 minutes of time. Or that, as noted above, TIME SLOWED DOWN FOR THEM.

The Hafele-Keating experiment also took into consideration the gravitational impact of the Earth's rotation. This produced a situation in which the lack of gravity actually made the Earth older than that clock in one instance.

 

[imaplanck.]

Imaplanck:

"The planes time has remained the same but when it returns the and sinqs clocks the earth is slightly older than when it set out, so the frigging plane has indeed travelled into the future! "

Again: Not at all. Reference frames...

"NO! WRONG! The people on the plane never experienced a slower rate of time even from the grounds point of view. The people on the ground observed the planes clock as slowed down."

Let's say that 60 hours have passed on the ground and 59 hours and 59 minutes have passed according to the cecium clock.

Let's say that every minute (and this is incorrect of course but for simplicity's sake...) that cecium atom vibrates 1 time.

According to the clock on the ground, there has been 3600 vibrations.

According to the clock in the plane, there has been 3599 vibrations.

Thus from the reference frame of the Earth, which has had 60 hours pass exactly, the plane experienced only 59 hours and 59 minutes of time. Or that, as noted above, TIME SLOWED DOWN FOR THEM.

The Hafele-Keating experiment also took into consideration the gravitational impact of the Earth's rotation. This produced a situation in which the lack of gravity actually made the Earth older than that clock in one instance.

Jesus you are retarded, go take a class and stop relying on google, you cant understand relativity properly that way.