Is Jesus a perfect person?

Saint said:
So, Jesus is a controversial person, nothing can be sure about him?
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Controversial in what sense ?
According to the gospels it seams very composed person and firm in his position . He had a purpose and he accomplished what was expected , and his teaching did not die survived for 2000 years , even you have some interest in his teaching then to criticize Him. Can you compare His life style and teaching to your ?
 
@ Arauca,
According to the gospels it seams very composed person
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First: I am not even advocating there is or was a Jesus.

If we take the Bible literally though then Jesus was far from "composed".

Did he not go on a rampage through the marketplace (located at a temple) overturning tables and cash boxes. This "composure" you speak of does not seem (The correct spelling of "seem") like it comes from the same Bible as the rest of the world has viewed. There are a few such instances where "composure" is not in character.
 
kwhilborn said:
@ Arauca,


First: I am not even advocating there is or was a Jesus.


Did he not go on a rampage through the marketplace (located at a temple) overturning tables and cash boxes. This "composure" you speak of does not seem (The correct spelling of "seem") like it comes from the same Bible as the rest of the world has viewed. There are a few such instances where "composure" is not in character.
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First there cannot be a market place in the temple yard, did you read also what He said to them, He was cellos of what they have done of the house of prayer.
If you would be in his place , what would you do ?
 
Did Jesus help beggars in Jerusalem?
Helped the homeless people, orphans, widows?
 
kwhilborn said:
@ Arauca,


First: I am not even advocating there is or was a Jesus.
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The current consensus (vast majority) among historians both theist and atheist is that there was a man called Jesus who was crucified. The divinity and the why he was executed is controversial, but seems to me based on what I read on the subject, is that he was a martyr and that the Emperor Nero pinned arson on the Christians for large fires that burned a lot of Rome, including Roman temples to their gods. Jesus was not the only one executed. The Christians were persecuted/tortured gruesomely during this time. Nero needed a scapegoat for the fires that were burning Roman temples to keep the peace.
 
R1D2 said:
Geez :poke:

He dealt with temptation. But he Jesus was part of the holy triangle. He was god in human form. He was not only good he was great. He was the most perfect being on this planet after Adam and Eve sinned. And he still was the most perfect being in our recent past. Even the pope don't compare. Now go ask a "pastor" all your questions pertaining to the bible. And christianity.
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Please provide evidence for these assertions or this will be considered "preaching, propaganda, proselytizing, and/or evangelizing."
 
The idealized version of a good human is so subjective that the only answers you will get are opinions.
 
Saint said:
We can only know him based on Bible.
Assuming it is true about everything described in the Gospels.
Do you think Jesus show an example of perfect personality?
Completely GOOD?
No moral defect?
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He punished the poor vendors o' the Temple. It was the first time he saw the vendors in the House o' God? I dont thikk so. I always see vendors o' fetishes in the doors o' my church, i feel compassion, tenderness, not angry at all:shrug:
 
entelecheia said:
He punished the poor vendors o' the Temple. It was the first time he saw the vendors in the House o' God? I dont thikk so. I always see vendors o' fetishes in the doors o' my church, i feel compassion, tenderness, not angry at all:shrug:
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If you would follow the story you would see Jesus was more then once in the temple , but before crucifixion he apparently have seen the latest abomination set by the high priests at the temple by allowing vendors into the court of temple.
 
SkinWalker said:
Please provide evidence for these assertions or this will be considered "preaching, propaganda, proselytizing, and/or evangelizing."
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We don't know each other. Hello. My evidence for those assumptions only come from some book. Not trying to preach. But have you read a book that seems to claim what I wrote? Or some of it? I can't seem to recall the name.

preaching[ pree-ching ]
noun
1.*the act or practice of a person who preaches 2.*the art of delivering sermons. 3.*a sermon.

4.*a public religious service wit with a sermon.
adjective
1.*of, pertaining to, or resembling preaching a preaching tone of voice
1.*to deliver a sermon. 2.*to give earnest advice, as on religious or moral subjects or the like. 3.*to do this in an obtrusive or tedious way.

I was not delivering sermons. As for pertaining to, or resembling preaching a preaching tone of voice, you can't hear me speak. I was not trying to give earnest advice, just a opinion I read somewhere as on religious or moral subjects or the like. I was not do this in an obtrusive or tedious way.

And I say good sir if I did bring forth any solid evidence for assertions that you claim I could get a fraction point and or ban so don't bait me.
 
Bebelina said:
The idealized version of a good human is so subjective that the only answers you will get are opinions.
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I like the way you said that. And that goes for about 99% of the threads that have so much trouble distinguishing fact from opinion. Folks tend to forget the difference between objectivity (especially the scientific method) and the zillion ways they will replace it by subjective methods, and especially bias.
 
Saint said:
We can only know him based on Bible.
Assuming it is true about everything described in the Gospels.
Do you think Jesus show an example of perfect personality?
Completely GOOD?
No moral defect?
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No, he's mentioned in the Qu'ran as well. and I'm not sure what standard you would measure him as good or moral. By the ten commandments, yes he was good, but that's like measuring an Alien's worth by the book of scientology. And he's not mentioned often in the bible, but I am almost certain that none of the writers would depict their savior as anything less than perfect. If the bible is the only source you take from, then it would have to say he's perfect, because he's supposedly the son of God, and to say otherwise would be a contradiction (not like there aren't any in the bible). But if you took other sources, you might be lead to believe Jesus was just a man. Also, there was several Jesus' in history, and many people claiming to be the messiah also having disciples and a dedicated following lol
 
arauca said:
If you would follow the story you would see Jesus was more then once in the temple , but before crucifixion he apparently have seen the latest abomination set by the high priests at the temple by allowing vendors into the court of temple.
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http://www.rationalchristianity.net/jesus_angry.html

I have no idea why men were selling cattle, sheep and doves in the Temple, and others sitting at tables exchanging money.
It was authorized by High Priests? Was a tramp?:confused: High Priests or Pharisees only had respect for Roman Temples?
 
Saint said:
We can only know him based on Bible.
Assuming it is true about everything described in the Gospels.
Do you think Jesus show an example of perfect personality?
Completely GOOD?
No moral defect?
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No he wasn't, his perfection came when he reflected the will of God, who is defined as perfect (from our perspective).

jan.
 
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