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Even Hollywood is capable of analyzing the conflict in the middle east as a consequence of the fall out from the cold war in the 80's
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Even Hollywood is capable of analyzing the conflict in the middle east as a consequence of the fall out from the cold war in the 80's
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Even Hollywood is capable of analyzing the conflict in the middle east as a consequence of the fall out from the cold war in the 80's
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In the sense that destabilizing Afghanistan allowed religious extremists to take root, sure.
Given that the region was religious before extensive political/economical fiddling by international powers (who, ironically, during the era employed and supported individuals you could easily classify as extremist) what other sort of demograph of the region would you expect to raise the gauntlet or to be on the paybooks of the big players of the cold war?In the sense that destabilizing Afghanistan allowed religious extremists to take root, sure.
Used camel salesmen?
Or are you trying to say that the phenomena of extremists gaining influence on the domestic front when everything is literally shot to pieces is simply an issue exclusive to religious communities?
Physical elimination is a natural consequence of threat to security - Hence administrators implementing new draconian social measures and demagogues appealing to fanatic elements enjoy a unique sort of symbiosis
Do theists preach because they feel insecure?
Do theists feel preach because they feel threatened by non-theists?
Given that the region was religious before extensive political/economical fiddling by international powers (who, ironically, during the era employed and supported individuals you could easily classify as extremist) what other sort of demograph of the region would you expect to raise the gauntlet?
Used camel salesmen?
I'm not sure I understand the grammar of the question. Are you suggesting that because the country is religious, a successful revolution could only result in a fundamentalist government taking over?
Or are you trying to say that the phenomena of extremists gaining influence on the domestic front when everything is literally shot to pieces is simply an issue exclusive to religious communities?
Never said that. Don't know where you'd get that idea.
sure, why notDo theists preach because they feel insecure?
Do theists feel preach because they feel threatened by non-theists?
I'm sure if you look hard enough you can also find a theist who will sell you heroin too
sure, why not
I'm sure if you look hard enough you can also find a theist who will sell you heroin too
Do you preach because you feel insecure?
Do you preach because you feel threatened by non-theists?
There is plenty of religious violence in India. I don't know of any statistic that shows India being less violent than the US.
Indiana- not India.
Try being an unbeliever in the South, their religious prejudices are plain and often violent.
Hmm, good point. Yet, in Indiana- quite religious, that violent behavior is much less. Why is that? It's the same religiousness, still humans involved, so why is the social behavior that different? I'd suggest that there are other factors involved than just the one influence of religion.
Take away the one influence of religion and the violent crime rate would decrease by only the amount of fanatics that wouldn't have as much influence from that one factor.
They may find that influence somewhere else- it is something that they want. They are fanatics. Many, would also not be fanatics having not been indoctrinated from an early age and being susceptible to be one.
What you're left with is a small portion of those religious fanatics may be influenced into less violence.
Read:And again, you're trying to knock down a straw man. Nobody said that religion is the only cause of violence. Even religious violence can have other, non-religious factors involved.
Try being an unbeliever in the South, their religious prejudices are plain and often violent.
In my experience, preaching tends to make one secure ... since the moments one ventures in a manner one is not secure, it goes badly. IOW one goes forward on subjects one is confident on .... so there are certainly many subjects I would feel insecure to preach on (Probably a minimal chance of ever encountering those on forums like this)Do you preach because you feel insecure?
Do you preach because you feel threatened by non-theists?
As for non-theists, if they are in a position to display severe animosity or threaten me, I think that tends to make me cautious more than anything else. Preaching to an angry person is like arguing with a drunk.
In my experience, preaching tends to make one secure ... since the moments one ventures in a manner one is not secure, it goes badly. IOW one goes forward on subjects one is confident on .... so there are certainly many subjects I would feel insecure to preach on (Probably a minimal chance of ever encountering those on forums like this)
As for non-theists, if they are in a position to display severe animosity or threaten me, I think that tends to make me cautious more than anything else. Preaching to an angry person is like arguing with a drunk.
But you believe you are right, and that's it?
Its more that I am undergoing a constant process of understanding the depth of the subject and the extent of my limitationsBut you believe you are right, and that's it?
Its more that I am undergoing a constant process of understanding the depth of the subject and the extent of my limitations
Lol.
And we are what? Your experimental rabbits?
Its more that I am undergoing a constant process of understanding the depth of the subject and the extent of my limitations
And how can you say that??
How can you be a member of a religious organization and still suggest that you don't have perfect knowledge of God?
Indiana- not India.
Stop trying to dodge the point with facts.
I believe experimental rabbits would be more well behavedLol.
And we are what? Your experimental rabbits?
as mentioned, by coming to know the depth of the subject and my limitations.And how can you say that??
Kind of like someone can point to the direction of the north pole. Another can get a more precise direction with a compass. Another can also cross reference it with a map and distance and another with satellite imagery and yet another with direct communication with one who is already there.
All of them have perfect knowledge, but the depth of their knowledge and capacity intensifies to reveal one as more perfect than another
Did I suggest I was pointing to the south east or something?How can you be a member of a religious organization and still suggest that you don't have perfect knowledge of God?
I believe experimental rabbits would be more well behaved
You believe heaven isn't a "community of the sedated", but we here should be?
as mentioned, by coming to know the depth of the subject and my limitations.
Kind of like someone can point to the direction of the north pole. Another can get a more precise direction with a compass. Another can also cross reference it with a map and distance and another with satellite imagery and yet another with direct communication with one who is already there.
All of them have perfect knowledge, but the depth of their knowledge and capacity intensifies to reveal one as more perfect than another
By "perfect," I mean 'complete, comprehensive.'
How can you be a member of a religious organization and still suggest that you don't have perfect - ie. complete, comprehensive - knowledge of God?
I am saying that given that revolution is a cultural term, why on earth would you expect a revolution not to draw strongly on the cultural strong points of the region?I'm not sure I understand the grammar of the question. Are you suggesting that because the country is religious, a successful revolution could only result in a fundamentalist government taking over?
So (i will do this in point form so you don't have problems with the grammar)Never said that. Don't know where you'd get that idea.
1/ if revolution is often lead or throws extremists to the fore,
2/ and if revolution intensifies the cultural aspects of a region,
P/ why suggest international fall out from the cold war in the middle east wouldn't be likely to involve personalities with a strong vocal religious element?
I mean, geez, I imagine even purchasing a used camel in the region has a religious slant, much less engineering a revolution of any sort.
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sounds like a vain hope ....You believe heaven isn't a "community of the sedated", but we here should be?
One can know enough to categorize and analyze a path of progress or establish the goal or whatever but if you play "comprehensive" up in the manner that I think you are, not even god has that knowledge (unlimited expanding qualities that compete with each other in greatness etc etc)By "perfect," I mean 'complete, comprehensive.'
How can you be a member of a religious organization and still suggest that you don't have perfect - ie. complete, comprehensive - knowledge of God?
sounds like a vain hope ....
Yes, another example of you "undergoing a constant process of understanding the depth of the subject and the extent of your limitations."
If you'd radiate with enlightenment, you'd surely find us more amenable to your desires.
One can know enough to categorize and analyze a path of progress or establish the goal or whatever but if you play "comprehensive" up in the manner that I think you are, not even god has that knowledge (unlimited expanding qualities that compete with each other in greatness etc etc)
I see no other sane way for an adult to join a religion, but precisely due to having perfect, comprehensive knowledge of God.
I did not dodge any points- I addressed them all completely and clearly in spite of you pretending that I did not.Stop trying to dodge the point with facts.
If you actually honestly believe I dodged a point, re-iterate it so I know what it is you're saying I missed.
understanding that the material world doesn't offer very many sedate communities is pretty elementary ...Yes, another example of you "undergoing a constant process of understanding the depth of the subject and the extent of your limitations."
If you'd radiate with enlightenment, you'd surely find us more amenable to your desires.
yes, but to what end?I see no other sane way for an adult to join a religion, but precisely due to having perfect, comprehensive knowledge of God.