Good question. We do not know that those 7 incriments of time were equal in length. It could have elluded to 7 stages or eras just as we scientifically break those process' of evolution in to stages and eras of developement. The number 7 does have a lot of Biblical relevance just as the number 40 does. I do not feel qualified to make any great assumptions on that except to say we are aware that all the cycles of the earth, the form of the universe, our science, physics, astronomy, calendar, seasons...are all numerically based. In short their is a method to the madness. As for a detailed analysis of the relevance of those numbers I can't say...but I do not believe they are random.
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*Originally posted by Avatar
You don't have to learn biology to understand that you won't have children if you are fcking with sheep. i.e. our ancestors didn't need to know biology to understand that. *
Oh oh, that simple little statement disproves evolution.
If you can't have different species mating then you can't have evolution.
*Originally posted by Taken
And the word used for the incrimint of time did not mean a 24 hour day but an age or era or undefined lenght of time. Could have been 7 years, 7 thousand years, 7 million years....etc.*
What 7-million-year period has a morning and an evening, pray tell?
*It goes against the translation version of the scriptures...most prominently the KJV*
It goes against the normal meaning of "morning" and "evening," too.
Damn the meaning, full speed ahead, huh, Taken?
*...but science does in fact cooberate the actuall scriptures. Just can't seem to get most Christians to pull their fingers out of their ears long enough to hear that.*
O Great Mistress of Auricular Phalangism!
Science corroborates the Bible, but the Bible does NOT corroborate evolution.
Think of it this way, you can give birth to your kids but they can't give birth to you.
Similarly, the word of God is the source of all of man's knowledge, but all of man's knowledge is NOT the source of the word of God.
*Originally posted by blonde_cupid
What does this have to do with what I said about the world being a better place with tiassa in it?*
The universe is actually a worse place with tiassa in it, as in "not good."
*How so?*
And the LORD God said, It is not good...
(Genesis 2:18, KJV).
*Is that really the reason I'm talking to tiassa?*
Well, I hope you're not trying to drive him to suicide.
*So, according to your reasoning, the adoption papers included a provision that tiassa be brought up as a Christian because the biological mother completely hated the idea of being pregnant with tiassa?
If she completely hated the idea, then why do you think she didn't abort?
If she completely hated the idea, then why do you think she cared about the religious/spiritual upbringing of the child?
Since she was only 15, maybe, just maybe, her parents or guardians had something to do with her not keeping her child?*
Sure, but there is no point in candy-coating the issue.
As for abortion, maybe abortion was hated even more.
In any case, it is obvious the tiassa was severely rejected.
There is no need for that rejection, however just saying "there, there," won't fix the problem.
If tiassa quits running away from God for even a couple of seconds, the acceptance of God will overrule the rejection by everyone else.
*Originally posted by Avatar
That means tht God doesn't rule over time, he has no control over it and thus needs to plan his activities according to it.*
That would be the rebellious approach.
God, being the ruler of time, can also plan a schedule using time.
*Did God have a choice when creating universe?*
Yes, and he chose to do it.
*Has God a choice to destroy this universe or not?*
Yes, and he will.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
(Revelation 21:1, KJV).
*Originally posted by Taken
It could have elluded to 7 stages or eras just as we scientifically break those process' of evolution in to stages and eras of developement.*
Hellloooooooo, Taken!
It calls them days, because they have evenings and mornings!
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
(Genesis 1:23, KJV).
*Originally posted by Avatar
You don't have to learn biology to understand that you won't have children if you are fcking with sheep. i.e. our ancestors didn't need to know biology to understand that. *
Oh oh, that simple little statement disproves evolution.
If you can't have different species mating then you can't have evolution.
*Originally posted by Taken
And the word used for the incrimint of time did not mean a 24 hour day but an age or era or undefined lenght of time. Could have been 7 years, 7 thousand years, 7 million years....etc.*
What 7-million-year period has a morning and an evening, pray tell?
*It goes against the translation version of the scriptures...most prominently the KJV*
It goes against the normal meaning of "morning" and "evening," too.
Damn the meaning, full speed ahead, huh, Taken?
*...but science does in fact cooberate the actuall scriptures. Just can't seem to get most Christians to pull their fingers out of their ears long enough to hear that.*
O Great Mistress of Auricular Phalangism!
Science corroborates the Bible, but the Bible does NOT corroborate evolution.
Think of it this way, you can give birth to your kids but they can't give birth to you.
Similarly, the word of God is the source of all of man's knowledge, but all of man's knowledge is NOT the source of the word of God.
*Originally posted by blonde_cupid
What does this have to do with what I said about the world being a better place with tiassa in it?*
The universe is actually a worse place with tiassa in it, as in "not good."
*How so?*
And the LORD God said, It is not good...
(Genesis 2:18, KJV).
*Is that really the reason I'm talking to tiassa?*
Well, I hope you're not trying to drive him to suicide.
*So, according to your reasoning, the adoption papers included a provision that tiassa be brought up as a Christian because the biological mother completely hated the idea of being pregnant with tiassa?
If she completely hated the idea, then why do you think she didn't abort?
If she completely hated the idea, then why do you think she cared about the religious/spiritual upbringing of the child?
Since she was only 15, maybe, just maybe, her parents or guardians had something to do with her not keeping her child?*
Sure, but there is no point in candy-coating the issue.
As for abortion, maybe abortion was hated even more.
In any case, it is obvious the tiassa was severely rejected.
There is no need for that rejection, however just saying "there, there," won't fix the problem.
If tiassa quits running away from God for even a couple of seconds, the acceptance of God will overrule the rejection by everyone else.
*Originally posted by Avatar
That means tht God doesn't rule over time, he has no control over it and thus needs to plan his activities according to it.*
That would be the rebellious approach.
God, being the ruler of time, can also plan a schedule using time.
*Did God have a choice when creating universe?*
Yes, and he chose to do it.
*Has God a choice to destroy this universe or not?*
Yes, and he will.
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
(Revelation 21:1, KJV).
*Originally posted by Taken
It could have elluded to 7 stages or eras just as we scientifically break those process' of evolution in to stages and eras of developement.*
Hellloooooooo, Taken!
It calls them days, because they have evenings and mornings!
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
(Genesis 1:23, KJV).
Blonde Cupid ...
* If she strayed from Christianity, we might consider my original point of well, it seemed to not gain her much if God let her stray.
* Furthermore, if that was her motive, why not arrange the adoption through a local church instead of mounting stipulations when putting the child up for general adoption? I mean, what, is the state going to come and take away my last name if I reach 18 without ever having seen the inside of a Christian church? Really? If it was that important a sentiment, why not take a greater step to ensure that I receive that upbringing?
* In fact, I did ask the question when I was thirteen: it does not appear that it would have mattered in terms of the stipulation whether I was Catholic, Quaker, or a snake-handling revivalist. Anything biblical seemed to be the idea. (But not Judaism; "Christian" is the specification.)
The only part of my psyche that it really affects that wasn't preexisting to the collapse of the mundane tale of my origin is the fact that I would hope that people understand why I reject bad storytelling. If I ever finish the novel ... well, really, if I wrote that as a novel, how believable would it be? It's like a couple of my best friends: if I wrote them as characters and did it properly, they would not be plausible to the average reader. Likewise with my life: it's incredibly boring except that people tell me otherwise.
But very little of it is believable in a certain sense. As a bar conversation, you might nod and say it's fascinating or that it's funny or that it doesn't quite fit together even still. But imagine it as a published story. It would sound a little like a bad, five hundred page romance novel. And I can't stand a bad story.
thanx,
Tiassa
Interesting angle, but consider a couple of points:
* If she strayed from Christianity, we might consider my original point of well, it seemed to not gain her much if God let her stray.
* Furthermore, if that was her motive, why not arrange the adoption through a local church instead of mounting stipulations when putting the child up for general adoption? I mean, what, is the state going to come and take away my last name if I reach 18 without ever having seen the inside of a Christian church? Really? If it was that important a sentiment, why not take a greater step to ensure that I receive that upbringing?
* In fact, I did ask the question when I was thirteen: it does not appear that it would have mattered in terms of the stipulation whether I was Catholic, Quaker, or a snake-handling revivalist. Anything biblical seemed to be the idea. (But not Judaism; "Christian" is the specification.)
To be honest, I think it was a matter of timing. I was born four months after Roe v. Wade was decided; some doctors drew an immediate line at fetal viability and some at first or second trimester dates; depending on the doctor or the family inclination, it may not have been much of a consideration. Among Christians who do abort, let me note that from consitent observation the point is to do so before anyone knows your little girl is pregnant: http://members.aol.com/abtrbng/410us113.htm
Actually, there's a family scandal in there, I think. By the story, blood relations are a mystery. The reality of the situation suggests that blood relations are closer than that. I'm not going to bother with the genetic sleuthing because as far as I'm concerned, it's a matter of simple dignity and integrity if these people are so determined to perpetuate a falsehood. Incidentally, as a laughable note: when my family would refer to the ethnicities of my biological parentage--and how much they know of this mysterious child-mother is also intriguing--it's worth noting that those ethnicities "switched" to cover the fact that I bear three physical markers resembing a nearby male relative who A) is old enough to be my father, and B) was a high schoool teacher at the time of my birth. (Toward that point, it's worth noting that the hospital I was born at was the nearest major hospital to the school district in which he taught.) Now, suddenly, at age 17, the story switched and my mother was white instead of Asian.
The only part of my psyche that it really affects that wasn't preexisting to the collapse of the mundane tale of my origin is the fact that I would hope that people understand why I reject bad storytelling. If I ever finish the novel ... well, really, if I wrote that as a novel, how believable would it be? It's like a couple of my best friends: if I wrote them as characters and did it properly, they would not be plausible to the average reader. Likewise with my life: it's incredibly boring except that people tell me otherwise.
But very little of it is believable in a certain sense. As a bar conversation, you might nod and say it's fascinating or that it's funny or that it doesn't quite fit together even still. But imagine it as a published story. It would sound a little like a bad, five hundred page romance novel. And I can't stand a bad story.
thanx,
Tiassa
*Originally posted by Avatar
You don't have to learn biology to understand that you won't have children if you are fcking with sheep. i.e. our ancestors didn't need to know biology to understand that. *
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I agree with you tony1, I was thinking the same thing, that does disprove evolution.
And Avatar,
I don't want or have the time to do a research on Archaeology
and Astronomy, I think you and the ones that think like you already have your minds made up on what you believe.
Generally, scientific archaeology has exploded many
extreme theories and false assumptions that used to be
paraded in scholarly circles as settled facts. No longer can
higher criticism dismiss the Hebrew patriarchs as mere
legendary figures, or deny that Moses could write, or assert that
the Mosaic legislation is completely anachronistic for such an
early age. These and other extreme opinions have been shown
to be completely untenable by archaeological research.
Other examples of general confirmation of the Bible are the
results of excavations at Jerusalem, Gibeah of Saul, Megiddo,
Samaria, and numerous other Palestinian cities. Cases of specific
confirmation, although of course less numerous, are striking.
The historicity of Belshazzar (Daniel 5), the authentication of the
name Sargon (Isaiah 20:1), and the corroboration of Jehoiachin’s
captivity in Babylon (2 Kings 25:27-30) by the actual finding of the
name of the king on cuneiform tablets there, are but a few examples of specific attestations.
Archaeology Illustrates and Explains the Bible.
This is by far the most important contribution of archaeological
research in Bible lands, and its ramifications are practically endless.
It is no exaggeration to say that insofar as its background is
concerned, the Bible is a whole new book as a result of the
marvelous contributions of archaeology toward illuminating and
illustrating it. Examples are numberless. Whether it is the longevity of the antediluvian patriarchs, Abraham’s hometown of Ur, the
conquest of Jericho, Jeroboam’s golden calves at Bethel, Jonah’s
preaching in Nineveh, the Temple of Herod, the ministry of Paul in
Ephesus, everywhere archaeology sheds light on the sacred page and makes its message and meaning more understandable to our present day.
You don't have to learn biology to understand that you won't have children if you are fcking with sheep. i.e. our ancestors didn't need to know biology to understand that. *
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I agree with you tony1, I was thinking the same thing, that does disprove evolution.
And Avatar,
I don't want or have the time to do a research on Archaeology
and Astronomy, I think you and the ones that think like you already have your minds made up on what you believe.
Generally, scientific archaeology has exploded many
extreme theories and false assumptions that used to be
paraded in scholarly circles as settled facts. No longer can
higher criticism dismiss the Hebrew patriarchs as mere
legendary figures, or deny that Moses could write, or assert that
the Mosaic legislation is completely anachronistic for such an
early age. These and other extreme opinions have been shown
to be completely untenable by archaeological research.
Other examples of general confirmation of the Bible are the
results of excavations at Jerusalem, Gibeah of Saul, Megiddo,
Samaria, and numerous other Palestinian cities. Cases of specific
confirmation, although of course less numerous, are striking.
The historicity of Belshazzar (Daniel 5), the authentication of the
name Sargon (Isaiah 20:1), and the corroboration of Jehoiachin’s
captivity in Babylon (2 Kings 25:27-30) by the actual finding of the
name of the king on cuneiform tablets there, are but a few examples of specific attestations.
Archaeology Illustrates and Explains the Bible.
This is by far the most important contribution of archaeological
research in Bible lands, and its ramifications are practically endless.
It is no exaggeration to say that insofar as its background is
concerned, the Bible is a whole new book as a result of the
marvelous contributions of archaeology toward illuminating and
illustrating it. Examples are numberless. Whether it is the longevity of the antediluvian patriarchs, Abraham’s hometown of Ur, the
conquest of Jericho, Jeroboam’s golden calves at Bethel, Jonah’s
preaching in Nineveh, the Temple of Herod, the ministry of Paul in
Ephesus, everywhere archaeology sheds light on the sacred page and makes its message and meaning more understandable to our present day.
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by bdmart-
I agree with you tony1, I was thinking the same thing, that does disprove evolution-
Too bad I don't read tony's replyes.
But tht doesn't disprove evolution.
In the begining there was simple cell life.
All organisms were very close "relatives"
they didn't have much differences.
When fish came out of sea evolution now devided-
sea living forms and ground living forms.
while the simplest[bacterias and stuff] and less complex of these both could still mate[on see and ground], most complex life forms on "ground level" and sea at that time couldn't. so now sea is seperated from land. but the early different species on dry ground could mate and so was in water.
And by chain reaction from less complex to more complex it lead to what we have today, a lot of completely different species who have lost their mutual traits in evolutionary process.
But tht doesn't mean evolution stopped at tht plece. You don't have to date with different species to evolve.
Different climate conditions
[indian elephants and mamunts(spelling)],
different predators who threaten,
different food- it all is part of evolution chain.
Even now we have evolved to tht state, we can not eat like stone-age people. Our diggestive system is diffeent.
We evolve even now. Our very back teeth are starting to dissapear, our immune system upgrades, etc, etc.
And if you really want, you can really mate and have kids with a schimpanzee/ only 1 or 3%[forgot how much exatcly but it was one of these] of DNA charecteristic seperates us.
Maybe you'll need a little help from genetics, but if you're "lucky" then with no help.
About events which take place in bible.
I have never said tht they didn't take part.
Some of them vere made up latter, but not all.
A lot of myths are taken from other cultures-Shumer, Egyptian.
I do not say they are not true, I only say tht people misinterpreted them 3000 years ago, 2000 years ago, 1000 years ago and now. With every rewrite they seem more magical and wonderous. people are idialized. feats have become more heroic etc, etc. If an alien ship landed before 4000 or 6000 years in light and smoke, with rocket brakes roaring what would you consider it to be. !!!! Be Honest!!!! Almyghty God Has Visited ME. Praise the God. and latter think of ways to use it.
Jesus lived and was a great phylosopher too good for his time and maybe ours. But no waterwalking and no deadwakeuping.
I looked to what tony has responded. again he is attacking my language, so I changed and expanded the sentance about chain reaction in evolution so he may understand it better.
I agree with you tony1, I was thinking the same thing, that does disprove evolution-
Too bad I don't read tony's replyes.
But tht doesn't disprove evolution.
In the begining there was simple cell life.
All organisms were very close "relatives"
they didn't have much differences.
When fish came out of sea evolution now devided-
sea living forms and ground living forms.
while the simplest[bacterias and stuff] and less complex of these both could still mate[on see and ground], most complex life forms on "ground level" and sea at that time couldn't. so now sea is seperated from land. but the early different species on dry ground could mate and so was in water.
And by chain reaction from less complex to more complex it lead to what we have today, a lot of completely different species who have lost their mutual traits in evolutionary process.
But tht doesn't mean evolution stopped at tht plece. You don't have to date with different species to evolve.
Different climate conditions
[indian elephants and mamunts(spelling)],
different predators who threaten,
different food- it all is part of evolution chain.
Even now we have evolved to tht state, we can not eat like stone-age people. Our diggestive system is diffeent.
We evolve even now. Our very back teeth are starting to dissapear, our immune system upgrades, etc, etc.
And if you really want, you can really mate and have kids with a schimpanzee/ only 1 or 3%[forgot how much exatcly but it was one of these] of DNA charecteristic seperates us.
Maybe you'll need a little help from genetics, but if you're "lucky" then with no help.
About events which take place in bible.
I have never said tht they didn't take part.
Some of them vere made up latter, but not all.
A lot of myths are taken from other cultures-Shumer, Egyptian.
I do not say they are not true, I only say tht people misinterpreted them 3000 years ago, 2000 years ago, 1000 years ago and now. With every rewrite they seem more magical and wonderous. people are idialized. feats have become more heroic etc, etc. If an alien ship landed before 4000 or 6000 years in light and smoke, with rocket brakes roaring what would you consider it to be. !!!! Be Honest!!!! Almyghty God Has Visited ME. Praise the God. and latter think of ways to use it.
Jesus lived and was a great phylosopher too good for his time and maybe ours. But no waterwalking and no deadwakeuping.
I looked to what tony has responded. again he is attacking my language, so I changed and expanded the sentance about chain reaction in evolution so he may understand it better.
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*Originally posted by tiassa
If she strayed from Christianity, we might consider my original point of well, it seemed to not gain her much if God let her stray.*
She simply exercised the same freedom of choice you are exercising as you choose to remain strayed.
*Furthermore, if that was her motive, why not arrange the adoption through a local church instead of mounting stipulations when putting the child up for general adoption?*
Were there possible legal issues 28 years ago?
*Anything biblical seemed to be the idea. (But not Judaism; "Christian" is the specification.)*
She may have had some idea that she wanted the best for you.
Why let her down, just because you may feel that she, or others, may have seriously let you down?
*And I can't stand a bad story.*
Change stories.
*Originally posted by bdmart
I agree with you tony1, I was thinking the same thing, that does disprove evolution. *
Yeah, it's amazing how evos will carefully explain how their theory won't work, and then they'll switch right around and say how the disproof actually proves the ToE.
*Originally posted by Avatar
Too bad I don't read tony's replyes.*
Too bad.
*All organisms were very close "relatives" *
See there bdmart, how Avatar is now proving that evolution doesn't work.
*while the simplest of these both could still mate*
The assumption of the ToE is that different species would have to be able to mate.
*more complex life forms couldn't. *
The disproof is complete, yet...
*And by chain reaction it lead to what we have today, a lot of completely different species who have lost their mutual traits.*
The mysterious "chain reaction" is invoked to explain how the disproof is actually a proof.
It's funny to watch in action.
*With every rewrite they seem more magical and wonderous. people are idialized.*
Sounds neat, but the newest Bibles are translated from the same old manuscripts.
Some of them date back to the year 200 AD and earlier.
Thus, nothing is being "rewritten" except the atheist and pagan myths of changing Bibles.
If she strayed from Christianity, we might consider my original point of well, it seemed to not gain her much if God let her stray.*
She simply exercised the same freedom of choice you are exercising as you choose to remain strayed.
*Furthermore, if that was her motive, why not arrange the adoption through a local church instead of mounting stipulations when putting the child up for general adoption?*
Were there possible legal issues 28 years ago?
*Anything biblical seemed to be the idea. (But not Judaism; "Christian" is the specification.)*
She may have had some idea that she wanted the best for you.
Why let her down, just because you may feel that she, or others, may have seriously let you down?
*And I can't stand a bad story.*
Change stories.
*Originally posted by bdmart
I agree with you tony1, I was thinking the same thing, that does disprove evolution. *
Yeah, it's amazing how evos will carefully explain how their theory won't work, and then they'll switch right around and say how the disproof actually proves the ToE.
*Originally posted by Avatar
Too bad I don't read tony's replyes.*
Too bad.
*All organisms were very close "relatives" *
See there bdmart, how Avatar is now proving that evolution doesn't work.
*while the simplest of these both could still mate*
The assumption of the ToE is that different species would have to be able to mate.
*more complex life forms couldn't. *
The disproof is complete, yet...
*And by chain reaction it lead to what we have today, a lot of completely different species who have lost their mutual traits.*
The mysterious "chain reaction" is invoked to explain how the disproof is actually a proof.
It's funny to watch in action.
*With every rewrite they seem more magical and wonderous. people are idialized.*
Sounds neat, but the newest Bibles are translated from the same old manuscripts.
Some of them date back to the year 200 AD and earlier.
Thus, nothing is being "rewritten" except the atheist and pagan myths of changing Bibles.
Tony you can't even read and understand English...why would anyone believe you could read and understand Hebrew. What you say doesn't really matter to anyone but you. Unless you want to start whipping out those PHD's that make you more qualified than all those who have studied and explored, and researched the FACTS. You keep following all the televangelists...me, Im gonna take a more credible approach to the facts.
blonde_cupid
Registered Senior Member
tony1,
***What does this have to do with what I said about the world being a better place with tiassa in it?*
The universe is actually a worse place with tiassa in it, as in "not good."
*How so?*
And the LORD God said, It is not good...
(Genesis 2:18, KJV).***
And? Why do you think the universe is a worse place with tiassa in it? How does Genesis 2:18 apply to tiassa in your mind?
*** *Is that really the reason I'm talking to tiassa?*
Well, I hope you're not trying to drive him to suicide.***
Do you think it's possible that there might be other reasons why I enter into discussion with tiassa, other than the two you mentioned?
***Sure, but there is no point in candy-coating the issue.***
Then don't.
***As for abortion, maybe abortion was hated even more.***
If so, then that was a good thing.
***In any case, it is obvious the tiassa was severely rejected.***
Not as rejected as he would have been had his mother aborted him.
**There is no need for that rejection, however just saying "there, there," won't fix the problem.***
There is no need for your rejection, either. "Here, here!"
***If tiassa quits running away from God for even a couple of seconds, the acceptance of God will overrule the rejection by everyone else.***
I don't get the impression that tiassa is running away from God*. Actually, I'm pretty sure tiassa believes in God*. I get the impression that tiassa rejects the notion of God* as demonstrated by how the faith is applied by most Christians he knows.
***What does this have to do with what I said about the world being a better place with tiassa in it?*
The universe is actually a worse place with tiassa in it, as in "not good."
*How so?*
And the LORD God said, It is not good...
(Genesis 2:18, KJV).***
And? Why do you think the universe is a worse place with tiassa in it? How does Genesis 2:18 apply to tiassa in your mind?
*** *Is that really the reason I'm talking to tiassa?*
Well, I hope you're not trying to drive him to suicide.***
Do you think it's possible that there might be other reasons why I enter into discussion with tiassa, other than the two you mentioned?
***Sure, but there is no point in candy-coating the issue.***
Then don't.
***As for abortion, maybe abortion was hated even more.***
If so, then that was a good thing.
***In any case, it is obvious the tiassa was severely rejected.***
Not as rejected as he would have been had his mother aborted him.
**There is no need for that rejection, however just saying "there, there," won't fix the problem.***
There is no need for your rejection, either. "Here, here!"
***If tiassa quits running away from God for even a couple of seconds, the acceptance of God will overrule the rejection by everyone else.***
I don't get the impression that tiassa is running away from God*. Actually, I'm pretty sure tiassa believes in God*. I get the impression that tiassa rejects the notion of God* as demonstrated by how the faith is applied by most Christians he knows.
"I don't get the impression that tiassa is running away from God*. Actually, I'm pretty sure tiassa believes in God*. I get the impression that tiassa rejects the notion of God* as demonstrated by how the faith is applied by most Christians he knows.'
I second that notion...and say it applies to a lot of people...and rightfully so, just look at the contempt and hypocrasy Tony and others like him dish out as some bizarr, sick brand of mercy. Why don't we all just stamp idiot across our foreheads and believe what ever he says. Sheeeesh!
I second that notion...and say it applies to a lot of people...and rightfully so, just look at the contempt and hypocrasy Tony and others like him dish out as some bizarr, sick brand of mercy. Why don't we all just stamp idiot across our foreheads and believe what ever he says. Sheeeesh!
Avatar posted *I do not say they are not true, I only say tht people misinterpreted them 3000 years ago, 2000 years ago, 1000 years ago and now. With every rewrite they seem more magical and wonderous. people are idialized. feats have become more heroic etc, etc. If an alien ship landed before 2000 years in light and smoke, with rocket brakes roaring what would you consider it to be. !!!! Be Honest!!!! Almyghty God Has Visited ME. Praise the God. and latter think of ways to use it.*
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My answer is no, but I think I understand what you are saying.
There would be alot of followers to something like that.
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You said *And if you really want, you can really mate and have kids with a schimpanzee/ only 1 or 3%[forgot how much exatcly but it was one of these] of DNA charecteristic seperates us.
Maybe you'll need a little help from genetics, but if you're "lucky" then with no help.*
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I never heard of this before and any chimpanzee, don't matter how
good looking wouldn't appeal to me. I don't know a lot about genetics
but if you breed a male donkey and a female horse you get a mule
that can not reproduce it self so I don't see how that fits in with evolution.
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You said *In the beginning there was simple cell life.
All organisms were very close "relatives"
they didn't have much differences.*
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Where did this cell come from or where did life come from? I know
that you probably had that question before, but what is your answer
on that??
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My answer is no, but I think I understand what you are saying.
There would be alot of followers to something like that.
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You said *And if you really want, you can really mate and have kids with a schimpanzee/ only 1 or 3%[forgot how much exatcly but it was one of these] of DNA charecteristic seperates us.
Maybe you'll need a little help from genetics, but if you're "lucky" then with no help.*
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I never heard of this before and any chimpanzee, don't matter how
good looking wouldn't appeal to me. I don't know a lot about genetics
but if you breed a male donkey and a female horse you get a mule
that can not reproduce it self so I don't see how that fits in with evolution.
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You said *In the beginning there was simple cell life.
All organisms were very close "relatives"
they didn't have much differences.*
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Where did this cell come from or where did life come from? I know
that you probably had that question before, but what is your answer
on that??
blonde_cupid
Registered Senior Member
tiassa,
***To be honest, I think it was a matter of timing. I was born four months after Roe v. Wade was decided...***
Maybe it was a matter of timing... maybe not.
Washington was one of the four states where, since 1970, abortion on demand was legal up to the 24th week.
I'm a few years older than your mother and my oldest is a year older than you. I lived in one of those four states when my spouse and I went to a women's clinic for a free pregnancy screening in 1971. While waiting for the test results we saw a number of young females coming out of the clinic rooms, into the waiting room, doubled over with their arms wrapped around their bellies. Most were whimpering. Some were getting sick to their stomachs. I couldn't understand why they were reacting to having peed in a cup that way. Then I thought there must have been some type of horrible flu or something going around.
It wasn't too long before we were told that the test was positive. Probably due to the frenzy of the clinic's mission, of which we were unaware, the woman did not notice our ecstatic reaction to the news. Instead, in practically the same breath and in a long-suffering manner, the woman asked us if we wanted to have the abortion that day or if we wanted to schedule it for another day the following week.
Abortion was being pushed heavily in those days.
***To be honest, I think it was a matter of timing. I was born four months after Roe v. Wade was decided...***
Maybe it was a matter of timing... maybe not.
Washington was one of the four states where, since 1970, abortion on demand was legal up to the 24th week.
I'm a few years older than your mother and my oldest is a year older than you. I lived in one of those four states when my spouse and I went to a women's clinic for a free pregnancy screening in 1971. While waiting for the test results we saw a number of young females coming out of the clinic rooms, into the waiting room, doubled over with their arms wrapped around their bellies. Most were whimpering. Some were getting sick to their stomachs. I couldn't understand why they were reacting to having peed in a cup that way. Then I thought there must have been some type of horrible flu or something going around.
It wasn't too long before we were told that the test was positive. Probably due to the frenzy of the clinic's mission, of which we were unaware, the woman did not notice our ecstatic reaction to the news. Instead, in practically the same breath and in a long-suffering manner, the woman asked us if we wanted to have the abortion that day or if we wanted to schedule it for another day the following week.
Abortion was being pushed heavily in those days.
*Originally posted by Taken
why would anyone believe you could read and understand Hebrew.*
Yes, why indeed?
Who said I could?
*Unless you want to start whipping out those PHD's that make you more qualified than all those who have studied and explored, and researched the FACTS.*
You're just bummed out because you know I give no credence to your degree.
What do I need a Ph.D. for anyway?
You've only got a BA or BS or something and look how screwed up you are.
*You keep following all the televangelists...me, Im gonna take a more credible approach to the facts. *
What televangelists?
And, when are you going to start on that more credible approach?
So far, you're taking a pretty INcredible approach, in fact, totally unbelievable.
*Originally posted by blonde_cupid
Why do you think the universe is a worse place with tiassa in it? How does Genesis 2:18 apply to tiassa in your mind?*
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
(Genesis 2:18, KJV).
What part of the underlined section do you not understand?
tiassa's alone physically speaking, and spiritually speaking, except for some demon posing as a goddess.
It's a worse place because it was good before.
tiassa needs union with God to make his universe a better place.
*Do you think it's possible that there might be other reasons why I enter into discussion with tiassa, other than the two you mentioned?*
The guy's eternal life is at stake, and you want to chat about the weather?
*Then don't.*
tiassa, I need to ask.
Have I at any time ever "candy-coated" anything when talking to you?
*Not as rejected as he would have been had his mother aborted him. *
It's just that it is so very rarely that a person gets a chance to evangelize the aborted.
*There is no need for your rejection, either. "Here, here!" *
What rejection?
We've been discussing things for almost a year.
"Where, where?"
*I don't get the impression that tiassa is running away from God*. Actually, I'm pretty sure tiassa believes in God*. I get the impression that tiassa rejects the notion of God* as demonstrated by how the faith is applied by most Christians he knows.*
Who is God*?
*Originally posted by Taken
Why don't we all just stamp idiot across our foreheads and believe what ever he says.*
It would save a lot of time, but somehow I think that sincerity would be lacking if you did that, Taken.
*Originally posted by bdmart
if you breed a male donkey and a female horse you get a mule
that can not reproduce it self so I don't see how that fits in with evolution. *
It fits in with evolution like this: it pretty much destroys the theory.
*Originally posted by blonde_cupid
Abortion was being pushed heavily in those days.*
Those days?
These days.
why would anyone believe you could read and understand Hebrew.*
Yes, why indeed?
Who said I could?
*Unless you want to start whipping out those PHD's that make you more qualified than all those who have studied and explored, and researched the FACTS.*
You're just bummed out because you know I give no credence to your degree.
What do I need a Ph.D. for anyway?
You've only got a BA or BS or something and look how screwed up you are.
*You keep following all the televangelists...me, Im gonna take a more credible approach to the facts. *
What televangelists?
And, when are you going to start on that more credible approach?
So far, you're taking a pretty INcredible approach, in fact, totally unbelievable.
*Originally posted by blonde_cupid
Why do you think the universe is a worse place with tiassa in it? How does Genesis 2:18 apply to tiassa in your mind?*
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
(Genesis 2:18, KJV).
What part of the underlined section do you not understand?
tiassa's alone physically speaking, and spiritually speaking, except for some demon posing as a goddess.
It's a worse place because it was good before.
tiassa needs union with God to make his universe a better place.
*Do you think it's possible that there might be other reasons why I enter into discussion with tiassa, other than the two you mentioned?*
The guy's eternal life is at stake, and you want to chat about the weather?
*Then don't.*
tiassa, I need to ask.
Have I at any time ever "candy-coated" anything when talking to you?
*Not as rejected as he would have been had his mother aborted him. *
It's just that it is so very rarely that a person gets a chance to evangelize the aborted.
*There is no need for your rejection, either. "Here, here!" *
What rejection?
We've been discussing things for almost a year.
"Where, where?"
*I don't get the impression that tiassa is running away from God*. Actually, I'm pretty sure tiassa believes in God*. I get the impression that tiassa rejects the notion of God* as demonstrated by how the faith is applied by most Christians he knows.*
Who is God*?
*Originally posted by Taken
Why don't we all just stamp idiot across our foreheads and believe what ever he says.*
It would save a lot of time, but somehow I think that sincerity would be lacking if you did that, Taken.
*Originally posted by bdmart
if you breed a male donkey and a female horse you get a mule
that can not reproduce it self so I don't see how that fits in with evolution. *
It fits in with evolution like this: it pretty much destroys the theory.
*Originally posted by blonde_cupid
Abortion was being pushed heavily in those days.*
Those days?
These days.
blonde_cupid
Registered Senior Member
tony1,
*** *Originally posted by blonde_cupid
Why do you think the universe is a worse place with tiassa in it? How does Genesis 2:18 apply to tiassa in your mind?*
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
(Genesis 2:18, KJV).
What part of the underlined section do you not understand?
tiassa's alone physically speaking, and spiritually speaking...***
Tiassa's alone physically and spiritually? I was/am not aware of that. I thought I read that tiassa had a love interest. And, if this board is any indication, tiassa is certainly not alone spiritually.
***It's a worse place because it was good before.***
The world is a worse place because it was good before what? tiassa?
***tiassa needs union with God to make his universe a better place.***
Since I was speaking about "the world" I am left wondering if you see "his universe" as one and the same. In keeping with the ways of Jesus Christ, what tiassa might need to make "his universe" a better place is for you to "show" some compassion. I'm not saying that you don't have any. What I am suggesting is that, like Jesus Christ did, you might want to try and make more of an effort to "show" compassion for others in a way that people understand it. You think tiassa doesn't have union with God* and you think that if he did that "his universe" would be a better place? How about you? Do you think that there is anything that you could change about yourself and your relationship with God* to make the world a better place?
*** *Do you think it's possible that there might be other reasons why I enter into discussion with tiassa, other than the two you mentioned?*
The guy's eternal life is at stake, and you want to chat about the weather?***
All of our eternal lives are at stake tony1. Your's, mine, tiassa's and everyone else's.
So... When did I mention the weather? BTW... How's the weather by you? Let's see... So that's three reasons why I might discuss things with tiassa. Can you think of any more possible reasons?
*** *Then don't.*
tiassa, I need to ask.
Have I at any time ever "candy-coated" anything when talking to you?***
Forgive me but, your approach reeks of sour balls (which is one type of candy). They can make the tongue bitter, if you know what I mean.
*** *Not as rejected as he would have been had his mother aborted him. *
It's just that it is so very rarely that a person gets a chance to evangelize the aborted.***
With the approach you are taking, you might as well be evangelizing the aborted. Please consider a more compassionate approach. You know... one that is more in keeping with the way Jesus Christ related to people.
*** *There is no need for your rejection, either. "Here, here!" *
What rejection?
We've been discussing things for almost a year.
"Where, where?"***
Look around you. I guess you don't realize it but, contrary to the loving and accepting approach the Jesus Christ which I know taught, by example, your approach is coming across as very negative and exclusionary.
*** *I don't get the impression that tiassa is running away from God*. Actually, I'm pretty sure tiassa believes in God*. I get the impression that tiassa rejects the notion of God* as demonstrated by how the faith is applied by most Christians he knows.*
Who is God*?***
God* is whoever or whatever your higher power might be. There is nothing in the name except that which we, as individuals, understand it to be. For example, you and I might both say that Jesus Christ is Lord and that we are Christian. However, it seems apparent to me that, right now, what you understand Jesus Christ to be and what I understand Jesus Christ to be are two different things. Likewise, it seems that what I understand Christianity to be and what you understand Christianity to be are two different things.
*** *Originally posted by blonde_cupid
Abortion was being pushed heavily in those days.*
Those days?
These days.***
Those days, yes. The discussion was about whether "timing" was a factor in tiassa's mother's decision not to abort twenty-eight years ago... you know... we were discussing what was going on with abortion in "those days". Get it?
*** *Originally posted by blonde_cupid
Why do you think the universe is a worse place with tiassa in it? How does Genesis 2:18 apply to tiassa in your mind?*
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
(Genesis 2:18, KJV).
What part of the underlined section do you not understand?
tiassa's alone physically speaking, and spiritually speaking...***
Tiassa's alone physically and spiritually? I was/am not aware of that. I thought I read that tiassa had a love interest. And, if this board is any indication, tiassa is certainly not alone spiritually.
***It's a worse place because it was good before.***
The world is a worse place because it was good before what? tiassa?
***tiassa needs union with God to make his universe a better place.***
Since I was speaking about "the world" I am left wondering if you see "his universe" as one and the same. In keeping with the ways of Jesus Christ, what tiassa might need to make "his universe" a better place is for you to "show" some compassion. I'm not saying that you don't have any. What I am suggesting is that, like Jesus Christ did, you might want to try and make more of an effort to "show" compassion for others in a way that people understand it. You think tiassa doesn't have union with God* and you think that if he did that "his universe" would be a better place? How about you? Do you think that there is anything that you could change about yourself and your relationship with God* to make the world a better place?
*** *Do you think it's possible that there might be other reasons why I enter into discussion with tiassa, other than the two you mentioned?*
The guy's eternal life is at stake, and you want to chat about the weather?***
All of our eternal lives are at stake tony1. Your's, mine, tiassa's and everyone else's.
So... When did I mention the weather? BTW... How's the weather by you?
Let's see... So that's three reasons why I might discuss things with tiassa. Can you think of any more possible reasons? *** *Then don't.*
tiassa, I need to ask.
Have I at any time ever "candy-coated" anything when talking to you?***
Forgive me but, your approach reeks of sour balls (which is one type of candy). They can make the tongue bitter, if you know what I mean.
*** *Not as rejected as he would have been had his mother aborted him. *
It's just that it is so very rarely that a person gets a chance to evangelize the aborted.***
With the approach you are taking, you might as well be evangelizing the aborted. Please consider a more compassionate approach. You know... one that is more in keeping with the way Jesus Christ related to people.
*** *There is no need for your rejection, either. "Here, here!" *
What rejection?
We've been discussing things for almost a year.
"Where, where?"***
Look around you. I guess you don't realize it but, contrary to the loving and accepting approach the Jesus Christ which I know taught, by example, your approach is coming across as very negative and exclusionary.
*** *I don't get the impression that tiassa is running away from God*. Actually, I'm pretty sure tiassa believes in God*. I get the impression that tiassa rejects the notion of God* as demonstrated by how the faith is applied by most Christians he knows.*
Who is God*?***
God* is whoever or whatever your higher power might be. There is nothing in the name except that which we, as individuals, understand it to be. For example, you and I might both say that Jesus Christ is Lord and that we are Christian. However, it seems apparent to me that, right now, what you understand Jesus Christ to be and what I understand Jesus Christ to be are two different things. Likewise, it seems that what I understand Christianity to be and what you understand Christianity to be are two different things.
*** *Originally posted by blonde_cupid
Abortion was being pushed heavily in those days.*
Those days?
These days.***
Those days, yes. The discussion was about whether "timing" was a factor in tiassa's mother's decision not to abort twenty-eight years ago... you know... we were discussing what was going on with abortion in "those days". Get it?
bdmart---Where did this cell come from or where did life come from? I know
that you probably had that question before, but what is your answer
on that??---
Nobody really haves real evidence to prove his theory. Neither you, neither I. But I beleive tht this is what could happen, it has high percent of probability.
First life developed here on earth. From different acids and what not stuff coreacting, You'll have to ask smbody other, what tht stuff was, can not remember now.
But it was very, very primitive. Simple, simple organisms, who stayed here on Earth the same for billion(s) of years. Thay didn't change, didn't evolve.
Archeologists and scientists have found traces in rock from these organisms. One even said tht they look like no lifeform here on earth, almost alien like structure.
And then about ?billion(s)? of years ago there was this high explosion of life. Suddenly appeared completely new different life forms. More complex and larger. Nobody really explains this blast of life. I beleive tht this life was carried down to earth by meteorite, metiorites from mars[btw, we all are marsians]. There are signs of mars about major collision with some large asteoroid. Thus the highest mountin/volcano in solar system was made. Mars shattered and parts of it were sent to space. I beleive tht some of these rocks fell on earth. This is from where came this new splash of life.
It is proven tht bacteria other simple cell organisms can live in space. The major threat of course is solar radiation, but if enclosed in a huge rock, bacterias could live and breed in metiorite for millions of years.
This is mine explanation. You will have a different one. And others will have theirs. But I think tht mine is more probable thn life being created from nothing by god.
that you probably had that question before, but what is your answer
on that??---
Nobody really haves real evidence to prove his theory. Neither you, neither I. But I beleive tht this is what could happen, it has high percent of probability.
First life developed here on earth. From different acids and what not stuff coreacting, You'll have to ask smbody other, what tht stuff was, can not remember now.
But it was very, very primitive. Simple, simple organisms, who stayed here on Earth the same for billion(s) of years. Thay didn't change, didn't evolve.
Archeologists and scientists have found traces in rock from these organisms. One even said tht they look like no lifeform here on earth, almost alien like structure.
And then about ?billion(s)? of years ago there was this high explosion of life. Suddenly appeared completely new different life forms. More complex and larger. Nobody really explains this blast of life. I beleive tht this life was carried down to earth by meteorite, metiorites from mars[btw, we all are marsians
]. There are signs of mars about major collision with some large asteoroid. Thus the highest mountin/volcano in solar system was made. Mars shattered and parts of it were sent to space. I beleive tht some of these rocks fell on earth. This is from where came this new splash of life.It is proven tht bacteria other simple cell organisms can live in space. The major threat of course is solar radiation, but if enclosed in a huge rock, bacterias could live and breed in metiorite for millions of years.
This is mine explanation. You will have a different one. And others will have theirs. But I think tht mine is more probable thn life being created from nothing by god.
Hi Cris,
i know i have joined late...sorry for that.
do you think you can define god by your own perceptions your own limitations,like for your senses as an example.dont you think we "ll have to look beyond the rules of this system to think about GOD.If we keep on thinking with regard to this system then we"ll not head anywhere...
in science,i hereby quote
"there is no question such as why?there is only question call whyNOT?"
bye!
i know i have joined late...sorry for that.
do you think you can define god by your own perceptions your own limitations,like for your senses as an example.dont you think we "ll have to look beyond the rules of this system to think about GOD.If we keep on thinking with regard to this system then we"ll not head anywhere...
in science,i hereby quote
"there is no question such as why?there is only question call whyNOT?"
bye!
Oh so am I to understand that people who come to worship God out of fear of demons, fire, or to get ahead financialy would actually have a "sincear" relationship with God?
My degree was 3 years in school obtaining "book learning"...none of which related to religion of any form, and has no bearing on my belief in God.
Common sense dictates that I won't go to a geologist to get advice on my health...and you are not a reliable source for facts in things which you know nothing of either.
If a man spends his life studying and emmersed in Biblical history and goes around the world to spend years digging up ancient ruins and scaleing mountains looking for the alter of Moses...then I want to hear what he has to say about what he found.
I already know what you found in your search for the 'truth" as you see it...power and wealth...and forgive me but I am not impressed. The devil can offer as much as you have, or better yet one could just go to school, work hard and get a job. If that is all life is about, if that is the best your religion can offer, then it is empty, it is just another shortcut to hard work. I refused to believe that is all existance is for, any more than I believe it is just about breathing and then ceasing.
My degree was 3 years in school obtaining "book learning"...none of which related to religion of any form, and has no bearing on my belief in God.
Common sense dictates that I won't go to a geologist to get advice on my health...and you are not a reliable source for facts in things which you know nothing of either.
If a man spends his life studying and emmersed in Biblical history and goes around the world to spend years digging up ancient ruins and scaleing mountains looking for the alter of Moses...then I want to hear what he has to say about what he found.
I already know what you found in your search for the 'truth" as you see it...power and wealth...and forgive me but I am not impressed. The devil can offer as much as you have, or better yet one could just go to school, work hard and get a job. If that is all life is about, if that is the best your religion can offer, then it is empty, it is just another shortcut to hard work. I refused to believe that is all existance is for, any more than I believe it is just about breathing and then ceasing.
*Originally posted by blonde_cupid
I thought I read that tiassa had a love interest.*
Well, he does participate in some random sex.
*And, if this board is any indication, tiassa is certainly not alone spiritually.*
LOL!
He's got plenty of demons visiting him, for sure.
People aren't spirits, though, so he is alone spiritually.
*The world is a worse place because it was good before what? tiassa?*
Try reading the Bible. Ge. 1 might be a place to start.
*Since I was speaking about "the world" I am left wondering if you see "his universe" as one and the same.*
His "world" might conceivably be in his universe, and in ours, even.
*In keeping with the ways of Jesus Christ, what tiassa might need to make "his universe" a better place is for you to "show" some compassion.*
I am "showing" some compassion.
*I'm not saying that you don't have any. What I am suggesting is that, like Jesus Christ did, you might want to try and make more of an effort to "show" compassion for others in a way that people understand it.*
Jesus showed compassion in different ways.
The various onlookers viewed his compassion in varuious different ways.
*How about you? Do you think that there is anything that you could change about yourself and your relationship with God* to make the world a better place?*
Sure.
But I'm not as self-centered as you would want me to be.
I'm willing to spend some time improving tiassa's situation.
*All of our eternal lives are at stake tony1. Your's, mine, tiassa's and everyone else's.
...
Can you think of any more possible reasons? *
That is a fruitless fishing expedition, if you don't mind me mixing metaphors.
*Forgive me but, your approach reeks of sour balls (which is one type of candy). They can make the tongue bitter, if you know what I mean. *
Candy-coating is making things sour?
---can·dy-coat tr.v.
To minimize the unpleasantness of; sugarcoat:---
*With the approach you are taking, you might as well be evangelizing the aborted. Please consider a more compassionate approach. You know... one that is more in keeping with the way Jesus Christ related to people.*
You mean like here...?
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
(Matthew 23:33, KJV).
*I guess you don't realize it but, contrary to the loving and accepting approach the Jesus Christ which I know taught, by example, your approach is coming across as very negative and exclusionary.*
Accepting? Jesus?
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:44, KJV).
*God* is whoever or whatever your higher power might be.*
Whoever or whatever?
You're not fussy AT ALL, are you?
*However, it seems apparent to me that, right now, what you understand Jesus Christ to be and what I understand Jesus Christ to be are two different things.*
I'm definitely starting to see that.
*Originally posted by Avatar
Simple, simple organisms, who stayed here on Earth the same for billion(s) of years. Thay didn't change, didn't evolve.*
That's what we're saying, except for the "billions."
We're saying thousands.
*Originally posted by zion
"there is no question such as why?there is only question call whyNOT?" *
Why do you say that?
*Originally posted by Taken
Oh so am I to understand that people who come to worship God out of fear of demons, fire, or to get ahead financialy would actually have a "sincear" relationship with God?*
It's starting to look like you are going to understand pretty much randomly.
*My degree was 3 years in school obtaining "book learning"...none of which related to religion of any form, and has no bearing on my belief in God. *
It rules your belief in God.
Jesus isn't Lord of your education, for sure.
*better yet one could just go to school, work hard and get a job. If that is all life is about, if that is the best your religion can offer, then it is empty, it is just another shortcut to hard work.*
The gospel of "get a job?"
Besides, you can have all the hard work, I will skip it.
I thought I read that tiassa had a love interest.*
Well, he does participate in some random sex.
*And, if this board is any indication, tiassa is certainly not alone spiritually.*
LOL!
He's got plenty of demons visiting him, for sure.
People aren't spirits, though, so he is alone spiritually.
*The world is a worse place because it was good before what? tiassa?*
Try reading the Bible. Ge. 1 might be a place to start.
*Since I was speaking about "the world" I am left wondering if you see "his universe" as one and the same.*
His "world" might conceivably be in his universe, and in ours, even.
*In keeping with the ways of Jesus Christ, what tiassa might need to make "his universe" a better place is for you to "show" some compassion.*
I am "showing" some compassion.
*I'm not saying that you don't have any. What I am suggesting is that, like Jesus Christ did, you might want to try and make more of an effort to "show" compassion for others in a way that people understand it.*
Jesus showed compassion in different ways.
The various onlookers viewed his compassion in varuious different ways.
*How about you? Do you think that there is anything that you could change about yourself and your relationship with God* to make the world a better place?*
Sure.
But I'm not as self-centered as you would want me to be.
I'm willing to spend some time improving tiassa's situation.
*All of our eternal lives are at stake tony1. Your's, mine, tiassa's and everyone else's.
...
Can you think of any more possible reasons? *
That is a fruitless fishing expedition, if you don't mind me mixing metaphors.
*Forgive me but, your approach reeks of sour balls (which is one type of candy). They can make the tongue bitter, if you know what I mean. *
Candy-coating is making things sour?
---can·dy-coat tr.v.
To minimize the unpleasantness of; sugarcoat:---
*With the approach you are taking, you might as well be evangelizing the aborted. Please consider a more compassionate approach. You know... one that is more in keeping with the way Jesus Christ related to people.*
You mean like here...?
Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
(Matthew 23:33, KJV).
*I guess you don't realize it but, contrary to the loving and accepting approach the Jesus Christ which I know taught, by example, your approach is coming across as very negative and exclusionary.*
Accepting? Jesus?
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
(John 8:44, KJV).
*God* is whoever or whatever your higher power might be.*
Whoever or whatever?
You're not fussy AT ALL, are you?
*However, it seems apparent to me that, right now, what you understand Jesus Christ to be and what I understand Jesus Christ to be are two different things.*
I'm definitely starting to see that.
*Originally posted by Avatar
Simple, simple organisms, who stayed here on Earth the same for billion(s) of years. Thay didn't change, didn't evolve.*
That's what we're saying, except for the "billions."
We're saying thousands.
*Originally posted by zion
"there is no question such as why?there is only question call whyNOT?" *
Why do you say that?
*Originally posted by Taken
Oh so am I to understand that people who come to worship God out of fear of demons, fire, or to get ahead financialy would actually have a "sincear" relationship with God?*
It's starting to look like you are going to understand pretty much randomly.
*My degree was 3 years in school obtaining "book learning"...none of which related to religion of any form, and has no bearing on my belief in God. *
It rules your belief in God.
Jesus isn't Lord of your education, for sure.
*better yet one could just go to school, work hard and get a job. If that is all life is about, if that is the best your religion can offer, then it is empty, it is just another shortcut to hard work.*
The gospel of "get a job?"
Besides, you can have all the hard work, I will skip it.
Probably not, Tony1
But if I take horsesh-t, roll it in batter, and deep-fry it, is that candy-coating?
Nah.
Tony1, you need to have a point before you can candy-coat it. Other than that, you are particularly sugary in your dismissals; you know, first there is no hell, and then the bit about the whales being crispy critters, and reminding people that you'll be looking down from heaven while they're being punished ... I'd say it's more like cotton-candy. All fuzzy and insubstantial and designed to rot away whatever it gets on.
But oh, how they like to sell it to children.
--Tiassa
But if I take horsesh-t, roll it in batter, and deep-fry it, is that candy-coating?
Nah.
Tony1, you need to have a point before you can candy-coat it. Other than that, you are particularly sugary in your dismissals; you know, first there is no hell, and then the bit about the whales being crispy critters, and reminding people that you'll be looking down from heaven while they're being punished ... I'd say it's more like cotton-candy. All fuzzy and insubstantial and designed to rot away whatever it gets on.
But oh, how they like to sell it to children.
--Tiassa
Blonde Cupid
Good point about Washington; for some reason I think I already know that, but such was not in evidence last night.
But the point is that as I've been through this part of it before, I have come to two conclusions: that abortion was not an option for religious reasons, and that Christian faith compelled the girl to include such a stipulation in the offering. She's only forty-three right now; I know women that old who are still trying to pump out their first. That's completely a side note, but it drops my jaw whenever I think about it.
Back to the relevant point. It's just quite ironic, in my reality, that she would prescribe a religion so obviously ineffective. It is almost as if she wished a curse upon her offspring. And believe me, I've tried a few tacks on this one. I've even considered the notion that she wanted me out of religious hands, recognizing the dangers of it, and thus preferred a more general adoption than one specifically organized through her church. In that sense, why the stipulation? Perhaps something of her parents? I have to stress to you that absolutely no part of the composite history related to me over the years makes any sense whatsoever.
I had started to relate some of that for the current post, but it's occurring to me to at least blink a few times and take a look around at the state of the topic. As fun as it is to smoke and think about these things right now, I'm wondering if I'm dragging the topic off-center. The Sunday haze is well enough but you know how wordy I can be.
thanx,
Tiassa
Good point about Washington; for some reason I think I already know that, but such was not in evidence last night.
But the point is that as I've been through this part of it before, I have come to two conclusions: that abortion was not an option for religious reasons, and that Christian faith compelled the girl to include such a stipulation in the offering. She's only forty-three right now; I know women that old who are still trying to pump out their first. That's completely a side note, but it drops my jaw whenever I think about it.
Back to the relevant point. It's just quite ironic, in my reality, that she would prescribe a religion so obviously ineffective. It is almost as if she wished a curse upon her offspring. And believe me, I've tried a few tacks on this one. I've even considered the notion that she wanted me out of religious hands, recognizing the dangers of it, and thus preferred a more general adoption than one specifically organized through her church. In that sense, why the stipulation? Perhaps something of her parents? I have to stress to you that absolutely no part of the composite history related to me over the years makes any sense whatsoever.
I had started to relate some of that for the current post, but it's occurring to me to at least blink a few times and take a look around at the state of the topic. As fun as it is to smoke and think about these things right now, I'm wondering if I'm dragging the topic off-center. The Sunday haze is well enough but you know how wordy I can be.
thanx,
Tiassa