Yazdajerd said:
A subject I like to discuss is how much athiesm is logical or scientific (as its folowers claim it to be)??
Personally, I only found them to claim that God's existance can't be proven, and when confronted with proof they change the subject or ask questions which are basically self contradicted ( I ment the question itself ).
And they only attack religion ( any religion ) by taking the verse out of its context to builed a false case!!
They claim to follow ethical principals with no need to religion at the time religion is the source of ethics and it is only by it that you come to refuse something ethically or not, religion is built into the social thinking, weither you are a beleiver or not, you are affected by it.
My conclusion about athiesm is that it is only a way to give themselves a reason why they are (athiests) committed to nothing!!
But that's only my opinion!!
This is most likely a waste of my time, but here goes.
Prooving God's non-existance: First of all, read the burden of proof thread in this section. Second of all, every attempt to prove that some entity with the qualities attributed a god being has been disproven. So. When an Atheist says: give me a proof or something testable that says that this entity exists, they are just saying, come on man, I need something more than prove that God doesn't exist. If an theist wants to believe in god purely based on faith, then that's fine, but proof goes out the window. There has to be falsifiabilty be able to be considered a proof -- pure faith denies that. So. I have no idea where you are getting that atheists can't prove that god doesn't exist, and it shouldn't matter, since there is nothing to disprove as of now, seeing as how all the proofs have been disproven.
As far as taking verses out of context, I find that Christianity is the most fond of using their bible as a salad bar. They like some of it but not the whole bar itself. To put this into context let me remind you of where the phrase, 'faith can move a mountainl,' came from. To paraphrase, Jesus kills a fig tree because he is mad it is not in season. When asked how and why he did this, he says, 'with faith you can move a mountain.' This has never been mentioned in any discussion I've heard about this, and I've heard it quoted quite often. In any event, why would verses matter, they don't concern god much.
As for having principles without a belief in god, I think you are a bit misguided. To have absolute truths, as in smashing a baby's skull is Wrong, with a capital w, you need god. But to believe it is just wrong, with a lowercase w, you don't. As seen as early as Plato's Republic and continuing with modern writers today, democracy is the ability for people to govern themselves and decide what is right and wrong. You don't need a god for a group of people to agree upon some laws to govern themselves. And if you look around people don't all have the same laws. That's sorta the beauty of democracy, the people have the power to decide how to rule themselves, not some monarch.
As for Atheists holding onto nothing, I think it is quite the other way around.
Would you rather be told what to believe or have to figure it out for yourself? Would you rather be attacked and called a heathen, or be welcomed into the masses and told you are one of the chosen people? Jean Paul Sartre put it best an essay of his. It is included in Christianity on Trial in the Atheism section. In any event. I'm not sure you've spent much time examining the atheistic viewpoint, I'd encourage you to examine a bit more before passing judgement on it. And remember Mathew, 'Judge not lest you be judged yourself.'
