we? You belong to one of those survival redneck terrorist groups?
Iran Nuclear Pest
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we? You belong to one of those survival redneck terrorist groups?
From how close Iran has gotton to these nukes, I'd say it's time to dismantle their collective ass. I've done a little study on Islam and according to them, ONLY Islam goes to heaven, all else are infidels. They have narrowed their minds like a pair of cross hairs and their aiming at the UN.
At the same time, how can we prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons without getting the other middle-east nations too pissed off? I wonder what the other middle east nations think of all this?
I'd imagine they are a bit more thoughtful on a global scale than Iran is.
At the same time, how can we prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons without getting the other middle-east nations too pissed off? I wonder what the other middle east nations think of all this?
I'd imagine they are a bit more thoughtful on a global scale than Iran is.
No. The reason why we're still in this war is that, although the US has adapted to a high-technology military, it still bases the majority of it's tactics on Cold War, large-scale field battles as opposed to tiny skirmishes by many many little groups.
Notice how when the insurgents attack in a large group, the insurgents get killed off and only inflict minimal casualties on the US personnel? But when the insurgents attack in squad-like numbers, they might not be abled to kill as many US personnel, but the insurgents are able to walk away almost unscathed. Not only do they go unscathed, but they just simply blend in with the local population. Multiply that by a thousand, and that's why the US is being thwarted in such an environment. It's a tried and tested method for guerrilla warfare.
Saddam Hussein tried to defeat the coalition (led by the US) in the 1990-1991 Gulf War by trying to fight a large scale battle and large scale fortifcations, but the coalition crushed Saddam's forces. Same can be said about the 2003 invasion. But since then, the US has been embarrassed time and time again.
It has nothing to do with politics (liberal vs conservatives). It's just plain old inability to adapt to small scale fighting by minimally trained terrorists and guerrilla fighters with simple technology. If the US doesn't adapt and overhaul it's tactics against the Iraqis, there is a high probability that the US could be held to an absolute stalemate, and that would be an embarrassing loss to the US.
In your world, using nuclear weapons would be indiscriminate. Luckily, the US brass doesn't think that way.
"These Muslims"? You do mean the fundamentalists, of course?
The majority of Muslims are moderate people. Don't let the minority blemish your view of the majority. It's like an outsider looking at the Ku Klux Klan and saying, "wow, Americans want to kill Jews, Blacks, and other minorities".
don't reply to me if you didn't read my post fully...
i was talking about the muslims we are at war with....
You sure can't tell it from the amount of violence and demonstrations that we see every day in the news from all over the world. I'm sure that there are moderate Muslims, but I think they keep themselves well hidden and they're damned sure very, very quiet!
And many people in the world do exactly that, don't they. I would point you to the posts of Samcdkey as a good example of it right here at sciforums ...among others, of course.
Baron Max
Dear maximus,
How big is the US nuclear arsenal, in terms of numbers.
You want to use 10,000 of them on Iran, how many woudl that leave you with???
talk about a waste.
And if you did use 10,000 nukes you would please Alqueda very much indeed!!
you agent of Alqueda you (IMO)
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take it ez
zak
Interesting Note: to cut off economic relations (stop trade) with another nation is to boycott a nation.
Anyways, That's a very good Idea to boycott Iran until they stop their nuclear program, exccept the fact that we'd also be stopping trade of food to Iranian children.
Another good Idea too, except the fact that, if they already (secretly) had a nuke, then they could send it to Washington, D.C.
Because they're not trained irregularly. They should be though.It seems to be working very well in Iraq. Oh wait, the insurgency is still raging. My bad
The most technologically advanced and most well-trained fighting force in history can't beat a bunch of desert-dwelling irregular fighters.
As Zakariya04 has described, 10,000 nukes is extremely wasteful on a nation that's only about the size of Alaska. The only thing you really need to do is nuke Iran's major cities.
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I want us to use some sanity in our foriegn policy. Invading soverign nations that have not attacked us is a road to disaster.
Boycotting Iran will have severe consequences, they can instantly stop all traffic in the Straits of Hormuz, sending oil through the roof (benefitting ExxonMobile and the Saudis by the way). Russia and China will side with Iran, and maintaining an embargo means war with them at a time when our army is not at it's full strength to say the least.
Germany didn't attack us in the 40's ...are you suggesting that our foreign policy was fucked up then, too?
Sanity in foreign policy? But, Spider, there are obviously people who think it IS a sane policy. And, just so we're clear, which "foreign policy" are you referring to exactly?
Surely you're joking, right? With two carrier battle groups in the region, Iran trying to do something like that would be the epitome of stupidity.
Hmm? Maintaining an embargo doesn't mean war ...where the fuck do you get that idea? And besides, war with Iran wouldn't necessarily mean fighting with the army. The US Navy and the Air Force could take care of that shitty little country easily.
Baron Max
Germany declared war on us.
Embargos are tanamount to siege warfare. Iran is well equipped with conventional weapons, it would be no cakewalk, not to mention turning the entire Arab world against the US forever. All Iran has to do is sink a ship in the Straits, even one of it's own, a derelict, and it would be unpassable. Result: no more oil shipped through there.
Embargos are tanamount to siege warfare. Iran is well equipped with conventional weapons, it would be no cakewalk, not to mention turning the entire Arab world against the US forever. All Iran has to do is sink a ship in the Straits, even one of it's own, a derelict, and it would be unpassable. Result: no more oil shipped through there.
Does that mean that we had to fight 'em?
Anyway, that's not what you said. You said: "Invading soverign nations that have not attacked us is a road to disaster." And Germany never did invade us or Britian for that matter. So why didn't that lead to disaster as you've said?
That's a pretty fuckin' big ship!! The narrowest channel is, I think, something over a mile wide ...and that's the actual channel which is deep enough for big oil carriers. One sunken ship, huh?
The fuckin' Arabs hate us now, already ...so what the fuck difference would it make? The Arabs blame the USA for all of their problems, goiing back thousands of years or more ....everything is Americas fault to the Muslims. I'm surprised that they don't hold the USA responsible for the death of Mohammed, for god's sake!
Baron Max
Buffalo Roam
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Hay Baron I just looked up the navigation charts to the Shipping Channel to the Straits of Hormuz, the water depth is 110 meters and it is 6.43km, wide, and that is just the channel, navagational depth is aprox 16.09km wide in the straits, people should do their research, saves on, foot in mouth desease, but then spidergoat has a research disability.
110 meters= 360 feet
6.43 km = 4 miles
16.09km = 10 miles
110 meters= 360 feet
6.43 km = 4 miles
16.09km = 10 miles
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Whatever sarge, or should I say sailor?
Baron,
Yes, declaring war is declaring their intention to destroy us, so it is justification for an attack.
Baron,
Yes, declaring war is declaring their intention to destroy us, so it is justification for an attack.
Buffalo Roam
Registered Senior Member
spidergoat, christ don't you know the difference between a soldier and a sailor, and any lubber can look up the navigational charts, its called map recon.
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Well, gee whiz, Spider, Sadman made numerous speeches vowing the destruction of Israel and the USA. And now that I think about it, Iran's president has made those same vows several of his speeches.
"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!"
Baron Max
Irans' Predsident has vowed to destroy the US?
he did made a lot of speeches with cries "death to israel, death to america" in the background.
He's a ventriloquist?