Alejandro said:damn, i may have seen it on t.v then. i am not trying to start a rumor or anything - but there IS a church built over something important, and i am sure it's in Italy.
I cant see that happening either, but at least one Emperor was insane. So could be true.
usp8riot said:Well if that's the definition of sin, Diamond, then there's not many sinners. Even people on these forums who aren't religious, I'm sure most have a kind heart and intend no harm on anyone. If that's the case, why shouldn't I be non-religious then and just have a kind heart and intending no harm on anyone, then I will be sinless. Sin to me is doing wrong, meaning it or not. When someone does wrong and doesn't mean it, it will still have bad consequences. I've used the analogy once before on here, but if a surgeon makes a mistake and kills someone he's operating on, is it not wrong that he killed them? Sure, he may have not meant it, but if he was incompetent to be a surgeon, shouldn't there be some kind of consequence? He may not have studied like he should, should he not be held accountable for being ignorant? We know ignorance kills, you can't deny that. We know killing someone isn't good, you can't deny that. Is there evil people that just do things to cause no good at all? Even a murderer can feel it will do him good to get rid of someone. In their mind, they have no evil intentions, is this not sin? Point is, wrong whether believed good for someone or not is still wrong/sin, so my definition is correct. That is why there are so many things about Islam and religion in general that just doesn't make sense. Listen to myself, starting to talk like an atheist now, yeesh. But I believe in God, just as Muhammed did but feel it's time to make sense of all the inconsistencies of the other religions, including Islam.
If someone does something which would normally be regarded as a sin with a good intention (example, to kill a rapist) it can also be a good deed.
usp8riot said:Killing should never be seen as good. Any religion which sees killing as a good deed is a sick, filthy, disgusting religion. Especially when the murderer took no one elses life. I don't believe life is ours to take. Those are God's children no matter what they done. It is better to be punished in this life than the next so they can help makeup for their mistakes, but if you kill them, all is lost.
usp8riot said:Apparently you see mistakes as a sin too in my definition. Such as killing someone accidentally. You may just see it as something not good but I see it as a sin. Carelessness after all, is a sin. To not care. To be careless with something that is deadly. You just choose not to call bad happenings a sin, good intention or not. In that case, many people will get to heaven if going on good intentions. One with God is not careless in his actions. He is a caregiver to all that needs care. A forgiver of all that need forgiven. A blesser to those that need blessed. Reasoning is the birther of good intention. So use reason in your actions, not carelessness. God cares for the careful.
usp8riot said:When you make a mistake by good intentions, it is still a mistake and must be learned from. Lots of mistakes/sin is made by good intention but it is still a sin in my eyes and must be learned from. Just as you say a man should pay for accidentally killing someone. There must be consequences for even accidents or the value of life lowers to all.
stretched said:Heh. Just another Christian absurdity. Furthermore if, as Christians believe, Jesus is God, he cannot die as he is immortal. Kinda silly religion eh?