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Hunter wrote:
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> Seppo Renfors wrote:
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> > Hunter wrote:
> > >
> > > Seppo Renfors wrote:
> > >
> > > > ...and from what I have seen is that a girl deliberately got of the
> > > > train with some CLAIMED to be "Lebanese" youths for the purpose of
> > > > smoking dope - an illegal activity.
> > >
> > > So is J-Walking, speeding or getting too intoxicated.... Are they all rapeable
> > > offenses???
> >
> > Note the highlighted word! The EMPHASIS is on that - not the fact that
> > she was going to commit an illegal act.
>
> So why even highlight it with your "an illegal activity" additive? It was pretty
> transparent to the rest of us what the intent of that was.
>
> > THAT is the point - were you there and checked out their birth
> > certificates, their citizenship papers, Hmmm??? How do you know she
> > wasn't "one of them", unless you refer the GENDER!
>
> I'm not referring to their race, I'm referring to their culture,
Oooooohhh no you don't! That IS the "BACK DOOR" racism! It won't wash
with me, as you well know. A reference to "lebanese culture" is a
reference to Lebanese PEOPLE, and a tarring of ALL LEBANESE with false
accusations.
> and it has been pointed
> out on numerous occasions, especially by the victoms, that they copped this because they
> were "aussie sluts".
THAT is a LIE. It is pushed by MEDIA - not by the girls! I have made
that point clear, as I have seen the stories. It is clearly a MEDIA
beat-up more than anything else. It is part of the race hate
propaganda here.
> It is obvious even to a blind man that this crime was one of
> bigotry and hatred by a small group of people of Lebanese descent.
There you go again tarring "Lebanese" purposely. Ethnicity has FUCK
ALL to do with it. FACT is these people were AUSSIES. If that offends,
it shouldn't. You ask for accepting of realities lower down. THIS IS
one such reality - they were NOT "Lebanese", they were AUSSIES - born
and bred. The CANNOT have a Lebanese Culture, as they are NOT in
Lebanon, haven't been educated there, nor have the social structure of
Lebanon.
>The majority of
> Lebanese are sickened by this like the rest of Australians, why are you trying to sweep
> what happened under the carpet?
Again, there isn't "The Lebanese" and "The Australians", we are ONE
PEOPLE, we are all Aussies who settle here, it is only RACISTS who
make that distinction constantly. As they NEED to focus on the race
angle. You CLAIM to not be racist, but by hell you certainly still
make the "them" -v- "us" distinction.
> By trying to hide the facts you are only compounding the
> problem.
Calling them "Lebanese" IS hiding the fact they were AUSSIE BORN AND
BRED. IF being born in this country doesn't mean being an "Aussie",
then it has to have some other definition. The only other ones I have
seen are, one from The Nazi, who only qualify WASP as an "Aussie", but
then only if they agree with his Nazi policies. Or Neville's, "birth
right", requiring an "Anglo" ancestry. Which amounts to much the same
thing.
> If a gang of white aussie rapists went out raping non-whites I'd want them shot
> in the head, I feel the same about this group. Are you really so deluded that you think
> only white people can be culturally bigotted to the point that they commit hate
> crimes???
The "cultural" angle here doesn't come from the CRIMINALS anywhere
near as much as it comes from the REDNECKS - one of "cultural hatred"
if I have ever seen such. The most STUPID part of it is that they
don't have a CLUE what their actual "culture" is. They only know the
word "lebanese", so it is the LEBANESE ANCESTRY PEOPLE the target is,
not their "culture"!
So why don't you concentrate on the WHITE GANG RAPISTS for then? Kate
provided the following:
Crisis centre says gang rape a problem across all races
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/20/1026898931412.html
I haven't seen a single word from anyone of the redneck group on the
abduction of the TEN YEAR OLD girl in Gladston, Qld. A man mid to late
40's and wife/defacto(?) 39 kidnapped the 10 year old girl, imprisoned
her, raped her at least 3 times, attempted another three times, sexual
assault, torture, sodomy, attempted murder... a total of 16 very
serious charges has been laid against the couple.
HEEEELLLLOOOOooo..... where is the noise about this one, hmmm? WHY
isn't anyone saying BOO about it?
Do you know WHY not a single mention of this has been made? It DIDN'T
MENTION ETHNICITY on the news - therefor it is likely to be a WHITE
ANGLO couple, so racist arseholes could make nothing of it. You see
the CRIME is of NO INTEREST to racist arseholes - only WHAT ETHNICITY
they CRIMINALS are. There is not screaming "Leb rapist" there... yet
it is even more abhorrent than the gang rape of the ADULT girls. It
also involves a WOMAN who was an active participant and includes
TORTURE.
What you will se next from the arseholes is a MINIMISING of this to
nothing, and even more howling over "LEB RAPISTS". I've seen it before
already many times. The pricks will claim "sensationalised", while
they repeatedly holler every bloody sensationalist lie there is about
"LEB RAPISTS". They makes you sick, the mentally unbalanced bastards!
> > What you are relying on are MEDIA reports, who are deliberately
> > beating up the "race" angle. One judgement I have seen the Judge made
> > a POINT to mention there were NO RACIST MOTIVES.
>
> Funnily enough a higher court changed that decision from memory, and it came out that a
> deal was done to hide the bigotry of the crimes.
Because it is IRRELEVANT. It is the RAPE that matters - what ethnicity
the person is doesn't make the crime any more or less heinous -
however to racists it is so, as they HAVE to harp more on the
ethnicity of the criminals, than the CRIME ITSELF. WHY hasn't anyone
said BOO about the Gladston abduction and rapes!
> > I have seen those two girls, interviewed, who also said it wasn't a
> > race issue.
>
> Bull - fucking - shit!
Don't tell ME what I have or haven't seen. Listen we here in SA aren't
so HELL BENT on racism as the East appears to be... or apparently the
West for that matter.
> I've seen one of the girls interviewed and she made it very
> fucking obvious that it was a cultural issue.
NOTE: I say "I have seen those two girls" you say "I've seen one of
the girls..", Note the difference? I also saw the ONE girl interviewed
(60 min), and it was the REPORTER who stuffed the race terms in her
mouth, every one of them! She did NOT volunteer them.
> Her own words described her being told why
> she "deserved" it.
AFTER they had been put in her mouth by the reporter. It is GUTTER
journalism.
> These people who did this were animals, and the Lebanese community
> themselves for the most part are pleased with what has been done to them, except the
> insane loons from one particular mosque.
I see..... so only the "Lebanese community" is upset now, eh? You
define them as LEBANESE, even though they are properly termed as
Australians. In fact you don't even recognise people from Lebanon as
possibly being Aussies.
I would have thought it was the Australian community that was none too
pleased (except for the Nazi and its ilk, who would be salivating at
the race hate propaganda opportunity it gives them).
> > The REPORTER spoon fed the racism angle into the mouths of
> > the two girls. The story on 60 minutes (where the ringleader received
> > 55 years - but it won't stick it will be reduced on appeal) was about
> > one girl on her own.
> >
> > But think about it. The press has been bagging "Lebanese" as
> > criminals, rapists, gangs and the like for a number of years. Then you
> > have a situation were a girl, on her own, meets a "gang" of Lebanese
> > on a train, knows them for about 5 minutes. They are total strangers
> > to her. Then she is supposed to get off the train, ALONE in company of
> > a "gang" of supposedly LEBANESE and go to a secluded area, quite
> > voluntarily according to her. The claimed reason? To smoke a joint!
> >
> > There is something seriously WRONG with that picture!
>
> How fucking old or naive are you???? THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!
Oh, yes there is!
> Christ,
> I've fucking run into chicks on trains and jumped off with them to have a joint on many
> occasions, quite often with only 1 or 2 of them and quite a number of us, we don't
> fucking rape them, we give them a smoke, chat to them and see them safely back to the
> fucking train! Reason being that we're not fucking animals like this small subset of
> Lebanese Australians are!
This is NOT the behaviour expected from a "schoolmarm" type girl as
was portrayed on the TV program. They are SCRUBBERS who do that,
pretty damned uncaring of what they do. The kind that identify with
GANGS.
> > A lone girl with the portrayed "good upbringing" just doesn't go off
> > with a gang of male strangers ON HER OWN, regardless of who they are.
> > Further to that, she cannot have been unaware of the media frenzy over
> > "Leb gangs". She claimed to know they were Lebanese and went off with
> > them regardless... to smoke a joint! Come on.... kids her age are not
> > dills, and very good at picking up vibes. She would have known the
> > KIND of people this group was - bad. She was under NO ILLUSION they
> > were from a church quire! That's for sure! I don't think "smoking a
> > joint" was sufficient enticement for her to go with them. But what
> > was?
>
> Let me know when reality dawns on you, instead of your intentional attempts to sweep it
> under the carpet. What she did was quite fucking normal, and happens every day in every
> city.
Yes it does, but NORMAL it aint! There was a reason, but for WHAT
REASON. I don't accept the "explanation" it was far too pat - the
portrayal of the "innocent clean cut girl" too glib - the carefully
selected setting of opulence. It was heavily stage managed!
There was an Aussie ex Olympian - female, done for supplying heroin
just the other day. Are you so bloody NAIVE to think these street kids
are some little bloody angels? Certainly the KIND of girl portrayed on
the TV program would NOT have got off the train with a GANG, one of
strangers to boot. Girls who run with gangs aren't exactly your goody
goody two-shoes, you know.
Was she dealing? Was she making a quick buck on the side with
prostitution? Maybe she just liked putting it about? Perhaps paid for
drugs with sex? All these things are possible. Who knows, but there is
more to this story than meets the eye, so much is sure.
You see these gangland girls in courts, meek and in tears in their
eyes, looking innocent as hell, but watch them outside the court, they
swear like a bullocky, talk about who they rooted the night before,
how much booze they had drank, kick at people and show no respect
whatever for the laws. Yeah.... I've seen them!
> > There is far more to this than meets the eye. It in no way excuses or
> > mitigates the rapes, but is sure as hell would put a completely
> > different slant on this story.
>
> No, I'm afraid not.
Yeah, this is where it is, isn't it.... "Lebanese" all bad, a "white
girl=Angel" - HAH! You get "angels" on both communities, you get slags
and scrubbers in both communities. "Angels" don't run with GANGS!
> > *I* don't go around claiming "Lebanese" and frothing at the mouth
> > against ALL Lebanese like the Nazis do.
>
> On this I agree with you, I have as much issue with the rednecks that try to tar the
> entire Lebanese and/or Muslim community with the same brush used on these fuckwits as I
> do with you greennecks that try to ignore the blatently obvious fact that these were
> crimes of cultural hatred and bigotry.
Well your agreement didn't last more than a couple of lines. There you
go claiming it to be a "cultural hatred" a "Lebanese culture" thing,
meaning it is THE NORM FOR LEBANESE PEOPLE. You are not segregating
the criminals from the remainder of the particular community. While
you refer to "Culture", "leb culture" or "Leb rapists", you are
continually vilifying ALL Lebanese. Note that you then identify
ethnicity, before the crime. Placing them in the "order of
importance".
> Most of these people are good people and it's sad
> to think that a lot of good people are likely to suffer due to the efforts of people
> trying to pretend this crime is something other than what it was.
Why didn't I see that in one your posts, when you posted a "me too"
posts to a fuckwit redneck, who has just slagged of the entire
Lebanese community, and thrown a few hand grenades at Muslims as well.
> If the average Aussie
> loses confidence in the ability of the authorities to deal with such crimes, and feel
> that these people are "protected" then lashback groups will start up and innocent people
> will suffer.
Which are made even more intolerable by the witch hunts of an entire
community. A community that is in general far more law abiding than
you average Aussie, born and bred in this country..... oh, come to
think of it so were these!
> The only sensible solution (as obviously the judge that handed out the 55
> year sentence recognised) is to stomp on these crimes of hatred hard, as they did with
> groups like the ANM 10+ years back, to re-install a sense of safety to the community.
> Crimes instigated by cultural hatred should NEVER be tolerated, regardless of the
> culture doing the hating.
Death sentences in the US hasn't stopped the phenomenal murder rate,
has it. It is a far too simplistic view. It is something after the
fact - something AFTER a crime has been committed. It doesn't stop
crime.
The social system is breaking down in big cities (and not only here).
This needs fixing. The biggest problem is the anonymity of a person in
a big city. This comes from two sources. The size of the place, so big
nobody knows anybody. The other is people don't want to see anything
happening when a crime is going on. It facilitates crime.
This is NOT the fault of any Lebanese, but that of Governments here.
It is not about hand-outs, they never work and lowers people's esteem.
What is required is a sense of worth for these people, who have no
opportunities in the city. The country areas are screaming for all
kinds of trades, motor mechanics, electricians, plumbers,
refrigeration mechanics etc, and they are the unemployed in the
cities.
> > The silly Nazi twerps wouldn't
> > even know a Lebanese if the fell over one anyway!
>
> You're probably right. The same could be said for some of these silly greenleft twerps
> too.
THEY don't go around hollering "LEB RAPISTS". Note how the ethnicity
always gets the PRIME position of being named first! It is "race"
focused and "race" is only used by those who wants to focus on racism.
It is an outmoded concept, as previously mentioned.
>
> > To THEM it isn't the
> > RAPE that is at issue, but the fact they can vilify ALL LEBANESE and
> > throw in Muslims for good measure - their FOCUS isn't the CRIME, but
> > RACISM and promoting race hatred, under the guise of "outrage".
>
> At the same time the greenleft are pulling out all stops to hide the fact that these
> WERE HATE CRIMES.
ALL rapes are that -hate crimes. No SANE person could claim it an act
of "love"! They are about deprivation of the victim, a power over the
victim, installing fear in the victim.
> Take the middle ground Seppo, see what is there instead of ignoring
> it, but don't judge an entire cultural group by what one small subset have done, you're
> no idiot so open up your mind a bit. You claim to hate what the rednecks stand for?
I am. Racism, isn't "middle ground". I see the FOCUS being of "race",
and fuck the victim... well not literally, but metaphorically
speaking. I see the blame SOLELY on the Lebanese and Muslims. When I
address the root causes of crime, the same racist shits, start howling
at the moon, and frothing like rabid jackals. If one doesn't address
the root causes, it will carry on. NAZI ideas are NOT a "fix", but an
even greater evil.
I suggest you read this article:
<3D3FF001.6FC861B2@not.ollis.com.au>
> Well
> don't play into their hands by trying to hide the reality of the situation, you are only
> playing into their hands and giving them ammo. Recognise what has happened, state it,
> but reinforce the fact that the vast majority of Lebanese extraction citizens and/or
> Muslims in Australia are as sickened by these crimes as the rest of us.
The REALITY is that these CRIMES happen, the reality is it is NOT the
sole domain of either Lebanese, and certainly not Muslims. Who of the
mad redneck coots is interested in the crimes, or actual REALISTIC
prevention of them? Not one! All they want to do is vomit race hate
propaganda.
> THAT is the
> reality of the situation. While you and the rest of the denialists are trying to cover
> up what has really happened you are only adding strength to the arguments of those that
> truly are racist, and that is fucking frightening.
*sigh*... if focusing on the issues of the CRIME itself, not the
ANCESTRY of Aussies who committed the crime, then I'm guilty, and
pointing out racism when there is racism, then I shall remain guilty.
> I used to know a few of the old ANM
> crowd and I'd hate to see a state of affairs that led to a climate where that sort of
> thing came back, but only stronger, and it's all this bullshit covering up of what has
> happened and kids glove approach that will cause this to happen.
So pandering to Nazis and the like is good.... sorry, count me out.
What has awakened all this shit is one Pauline Hanson. I wrote about
the effect it would have back in 98 sometime. I was right. PANDERING
to racist only ENCOURAGES the bastards.
"Why of course the people don't want war ...
It is the leaders who determine the policy and
it is always a simple matter to drag the people along...
all you have to do is tell them they are being attacked
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger. It works the same
in any country.
- Hermann Goering
I think Pauline read those words too! Now Howard is using them!
> > The Gender-Bender posted an article about a crime, and bitched like
> > all hell that the ETHNICITY of the accused wasn't published - not a
> > single mention of the victim. The Crime it self didn't matter, only
> > the ETHNICITY of the accused. THAT demonstrates the FOCUS of that shit
> > headed imported Nazi filth! It was seriously PISSED OFF that it was
> > denied the opportunity generate race hatred! ETHNICITY has fuck all to
> > do with the crime!
>
> Actually in this case it had everything to do with it, it was a crime of cultural
> hatred. You are only compounding things by trying to hide that fact.
So you claim, but it isn't central to the issue in any way. That ISN'T
important to the crime. What CAUSES such underlying emotions (if they
actually exist) is important and it isn't what shithead racist froth
at the mouth over - they themselves are part of the CAUSE. It is the
REDNECKERY and alienation of people via the media, and fuckwit
REDNECKS in the streets who cause such alienation. There is one part
of the underlying problem. Other problems I have already mentioned,
and have NOTHING whatsoever to do with any ethnicity. It is to do with
socio economically disadvantaged classes.
> That all being said I've really got to learn not to post when I'm pissed, when I find
> myself shaking in anger at the end of a post in usenet I realise that I'm really taking
> things too seriously, but then rape due to cultural hatred isn't really a laughing
> matter......
Again, you focus on the ethnicity of the people, not the crime itself.
The CRIME is RAPE - not that of "cultural hatred", that you put a
greater importance on - one doesn't cause the other. Obviously if an
"anglo" did the rape, you wouldn't be shaking with any fury at all,
just turn the page and read the sports news instead. I point you to
the Gladston abduction and rapes of a 10 year old girl!
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