I think theists dont even believe there is a god

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Just back from summer school and one thing that struck me from a fellow physics student who also was a thiest(yes there was one!), is that he didnt actually believe that there is a metophysical but rather he was so programmed for comfort by religion that he just made himself think he believes in god.

....Just thought I would share this thought.
 
well it goes either way...believe in God or do not believe...there is no proof, and it can go either way.
 
GhostofMaxwell. said:
Did you read what I said?:shrug:
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yeah you said that he is a theist but really does not really believe in God. Well than he is an atheist who behaves like a theist. And that is all. Those people who believe in God...believe in God and thus are theists.

Comfort of religion comes in two flavors: first is comfort from belief in that religion and second is comfort from associations with believers of that religion.
 
draqon said:
yeah you said that he is a theist but really does not really believe in God. Well than he is an atheist who behaves like a theist. And that is all. Those people who believe in God...believe in God and thus are theists.

Comfort of religion comes in two flavors: first is comfort from belief in that religion and second is comfort from associations with believers of that religion.
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So you dont understand the point?
 
GhostofMaxwell. said:
Whats your education in? what subject?
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I think his point is that that physics student isn't really a theist to begin with. There are plenty of others like him, but I would bet that a good amount of the people claiming to be theists truly do believe in a god.
 
I actually have suspected this to an extent; I believe it is the theists insecurities in his/her own belief that makes religion a taboo thing to criticize in the first place. Some perhaps know all too well what they say they believe is absurd.
 
GhostofMaxwell. said:
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Biggest problem with your claim is that it's directed towards all theists. It would have been better to say "I think some theists don't even believe there is a god."

But even then the statement seems very strange. If a theist doesn't believe in god, then he/she/it is not a theist. So it's a moot point. :shrug:
 
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ashura said:
Biggest problem with your claim is that it's directed towards all theists. It would have been better to say "I think some theists don't even believe there is a god.":
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Yes I could have wordedt better but I've just came back from a week of hard drinking.

Is anyone besides Seti actually going to contribe something constructive as apposed to destructive on this one?


But even then the statement seems very strange. If a theist doesn't believe in god, then he/she/it is not a theist. So it's a moot point. :shrug:
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That is proven where?when? That was exactly what I was trying to test here!
 
GhostofMaxwell. said:
That is proven where?when? That was exactly what I was trying to test here!
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In the dictionary?

the·ism /ˈθiɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[thee-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism).
2. belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism).
 
ashura said:
In the dictionary?

the·ism /ˈθiɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[thee-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism).
2. belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism).
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Where in this dictionary is has been proven that this is a belief and not just a delusion of belief?

Maybe look up @proven@ and @delusion@ before answering that.
 
GhostofMaxwell. said:
Where in this dictionary is has been proven that this is a belief and not just a delusion of belief?

Maybe look up @proven@ and @delusion@ before answering that.
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You're really grasping at straws here. The term used in the definition of a theist is belief, not delusion of belief. Delusion of belief is such a ridiculous phrase anyway. A false belief of belief?

Now that I reread it, the entire thing seems so bogus. How does a person claim that he does not believe in god, while at the same time claim that he makes himself think he believes in god. It doesn't make any sense.
 
ashura said:
You're really grasping at straws here. .
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:rolleyes: No its actually called testing a convention to see if it still remains standing(an example of this would be Comptons challenge against particls having a pure particle nature.

The term used in the definition of a theist is belief, not delusion of belief. Delusion of belief is such a ridiculous phrase anyway. A false belief of belief?
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Defining something is not proof that the thing you defined is as you defined it.:rolleyes:

Now that I reread it, the entire thing seems so bogus. How does a person claim that he does not believe in god, while at the same time claim that he makes himself think he believes in god. It doesn't make any sense
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Thats probably because you havent understood what you read.
 
Defining something is not proof that the thing you defined is as you defined it.:rolleyes:
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That's because there is no proof needed in this instance. The definition of a theist is someone who believes in a god. This is a fact. If there is no belief in god, then that person is not a theist. This is also a fact.

Thats probably because you haven't understood what you read.
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Remarkable.

Just back from summer school and one thing that struck me from a fellow physics student who also was a thiest(yes there was one!), is that he didnt actually believe that there is a metophysical but rather he was so programmed for comfort by religion that he just made himself think he believes in god.

A person who says he did not believe in god but also says he made himself believe in god. Please show me where I interpreted this wrong.
 
ashura said:
That's because there is no proof needed in this instance. The definition of a theist is someone who believes in a god. This is a fact. If there is no belief in god, then that person is not a theist. This is also a fact. .
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No, as I said ,defining something doesnt take away the real possibility that your definition wasnt wrong or incomplete at the the time. Theres no facts in a definition what-so-ever.

Remarkable.

Just back from summer school and one thing that struck me from a fellow physics student who also was a thiest(yes there was one!), is that he didnt actually believe that there is a metophysical but rather he was so programmed for comfort by religion that he just made himself think he believes in god.

A person who says he did not believe in god but also says he made himself believe in god. Please show me where I interpreted this wrong.
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He didnt say:"he didnt believe in god". He said :"he did believe in the metophysical" In a conversation steming from quantum mechanics

....Do you follow so far?
 
GhostofMaxwell. said:
No, as I said ,defining something doesnt take away the real possibility that your definition wasnt wrong or incomplete at the the time. Theres no facys in a definition what-so-ever.
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In this instance, categorizing something doesn't take away the real possibility that you're using the category incorrectly. The actual definition of the category however remains correct. You're just trying to add stuff to it, just like atheists who try to glorify the definition of the word atheist.

He didnt say:"he didnt believe in god". He said :"he did believe in the metophysical" In a conversation steming from quantum mechanics

....Do you follow so far?
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First he didn't believe in the metaphysical. Now you say he did believe in the metaphysical. Which is it?
 
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