How Much You Know
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You know , I don't know much about most religions and I really don't care. Since I don't believe in any religion there's no reason for me to want to study about any of them. I do however respect everyones religions and if they BELIEVE in it then that's their concern to understand it not mine. Don't make me believe in something that I don't think exists. Don't also force me to learn about things I also don't believe in for that doesn't make any sense to do so.
I know for a fact that it is utter bullocks.
7th century arab bandit and petty warlord. He invented a new religion by blending arab nationalism with earlier faiths.
Of course he based his new religion on what he gleaned from jews (before exterminating them) and christian missionaries from syria.
Hope this helps, any questions feel free to ask.
warm regards
SPP
Edit:I almost forgot islam has more copy paste evangelist idoits than any other religion.
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This is sort of an open-ended question. Would it disturb you to think that he is not widely considered an actual prophet?
Leo Volont
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Honestly! You really need to read a few books.
Anything more than a couple of paragraphs ON LINE in one of these Discussion Forums would be condemned as being too WORDY.
But what you are asking could be the Course Description of an Advanced Class in Religious Studies.
Anyway, go to your nearest Public Library and read 20 books about Islam (no, don't borrow them, or you will be put on some Terrorist Watch List).
Or read 20 books about ANYTHING.
You strike me as somebody who could value greatly from reading almost anything.
Anything more than a couple of paragraphs ON LINE in one of these Discussion Forums would be condemned as being too WORDY.
But what you are asking could be the Course Description of an Advanced Class in Religious Studies.
Anyway, go to your nearest Public Library and read 20 books about Islam (no, don't borrow them, or you will be put on some Terrorist Watch List).
Or read 20 books about ANYTHING.
You strike me as somebody who could value greatly from reading almost anything.
Tresbien, most of the anti-Islamists on here know nothing about Islam except what they read on hate sites. To them Islam is a culture, an inferior one at that, which wants to take over the world by force. When asked for proof, they rely on age old, Christian arguments and turning and twisting the verses from the Quran and on the unislamic actions of dictators and rulers whoa re the allies of the US and who wouldnt be there if the US dint support them. Believe it or not, but Kissinger actually tried to defend the Tianmanen square massacere...
You mean that they rely on actual events, history, social fact and the written statements of the Quran? They certainly do. What evidence, exactly, have you provided to the contrary? Wishes? Sounds like witchcraft to me. 
tresbien, you need to present this issues in your own words. I don't recommend islamonline, as I recall some very shady articles and philosophies there. I would prefer you didn't post that link. Thanks.
Best to you both,
Geoff
tresbien, you need to present this issues in your own words. I don't recommend islamonline, as I recall some very shady articles and philosophies there. I would prefer you didn't post that link. Thanks.
Best to you both,
Geoff
I know only a little about Muhummad (PBUH) but I do know that Gabriel visited him during his meditation bringing the Message of God and that it was a continuation of God's previous word (Judaism, Christianity)
If you believe that anyway, I am more patriotic than religious
If you believe that anyway, I am more patriotic than religious
I know that it begins with a version of the old testament, and that is all I need to know. The OT is just a bundle of superstitious creation myths. The idea that the entire universe was created for the benefit of humans, by a deity that looks like a human, is ludicrous.
I'm fine with both patriotism and religion, so long as neither is used to oppress somebody.
Well all people should be patriotic anyway
You mean that they rely on actual events, history, social fact and the written statements of the Quran? They certainly do. What evidence, exactly, have you provided to the contrary? Wishes? Sounds like witchcraft to me.
First of all, witchcraft is not real, and the Quran doesnt allege anywhere it is. Secondly, the main thing I have a problem with is people labelling some horrofic actions as "Muslim" or "Islamic" thereby implying that Islam or Allah endorses it. That is why I use the Quran to refute anya rgument made against Islam. Im not defending the House of Saud, neither do i defend any terrorists. But when you try to attribute my religion as the reason behind some vile actions then I wont accept it.
Oh and btw I use www.alislam.org
All right, what about when the Quran or the hadith overtly sanction it? Are you willing to refuse it in the name of humanitarianism? I'm capable of this. Can you also stand to the throw?
The verses are as follows:
So you think these verses prove that Islam believes withcraft to be real? What else can i expect from someone who doesnt know. It seems that everytime something bad is done by the Muslims, people like you want to defend their actions. But, fortunately, your ignorance then shows through. Fortunately, there are people who dont support these idiots in their false religious practices. Anyway, verse 20:67 has a couple of interesting things which you have no doubt missed. The words “Nay, cast ye” show that the Prophets of God never take the offensive. They wait till they are attacked and then they defend themselves.
The expression “appeared to him” clearly indicates that the cords and staves of the magicians only appeared to Moses as though they ran about while actually they did nothing of the kind.
Verse 20:70 makes it clear that it was the rod of Moses and not anything else which “swallowed” that which the mgicians had wrought, and which undid their magic. The rod of Moses wieled with the spiritual force of a great Prophet and thrown at the command of God exposed the deception that the magicians had wrought on the spectators.
It’s interesting to note that in verse 7:118 the staves and the cords of the magicians have been described as their lies. This would fit in here as well as Moses represented the truth and the magicians had wrought something of lies and deceived the spectators. Nowhere do these verses say that witchcraft is real.
Where does it sanction it? You mean against murderers and people that break their covenants and attack? No, I wont denounce that. If someone attacks you without reason then you have the right to self defence. It is a universal human right and since Islam does not go against human nature it allows one to defend oneself. After all, criminals need to be stopped. Its no good saying “Turn the other cheek” because you will get attacked and the criminals will be bolstered. Yes, you can forgive if people desist, but if they don’t then they deserve to be punished.
Actually, it's you that hasn't understood - the passage proves that witchcraft is acknowledged by islam. All the weaseling in the world won't change that.
How can Moses have "undone their magic" when you say their magic wasn't real?
Sura 9, Sura 5, etc, ad nauseam. Characterizing other religions as criminals is the lowest form of intellectual deception. Who decides who has "attacked", and what? For some islamists, cartoons are an attack. For others, stuffed bears. For others, insulting Mohammed. What defines an attack? And who decides?
Best,
Geoff