How did consciousness manifest?

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Chris_Smith said:
God eh? ...this must be an interpretation for the one true origin... not God though. There's a difference. God's linked to the impractical, fairy-land mess, a mind dreams up when self-denied such freedom of all his/her/its senses.
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Perhaps God is 'the word' used to describe that freedom when expressed and understood, in a way not many actually understand.
 
However, with not denying all our senses - we're some how allowing our logic, on an unconscious level, broaden our scope on what we can't sense - which in itself delivers a possibility that we could be developing and evolving - fine tuning another sense, that's deeply formed as, and within our unconsciousnesses. As unconsciousness and nothingness are purely similar - wouldn't you say? Could we be closer to nothingness - more psychologically, than we think?
 
Chris_Smith said:
It's a bit lazy though. :rolleyes:
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is it though? We describe everything in 'words',

This is the best 'word' to describe the multitude of experiences that we allegedly do not have, are incapable of generating or manifesting ourselves (allegedly) is it not? God = consciousness = coincidence = nothingness = everything = every word = no words, what would we be without the words to define ourselves and our existance.

No words to contemplate or reflect upon our origin, our life and our death, to exist without contemplation and reflection is ..............



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thus we know within that nothingness exists 'words'
 
Theoryofrelativity said:
is it though? We describe everything in 'words',

This is the best 'word' to describe the multitude of experiences that we allegedly do not have, are incapable of generating or manifesting ourselves (allegedly) is it not? God = consciousness = coincidence = nothingness = everything = every word = no words, what would we be without the words to define ourselves and our existance.

No words to contemplate or reflect upon our origin, our life and our death, to exist without contemplation and reflection is ..............



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thus we know within that nothingness exists 'words'
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Perhaps words are what also limit our abilities to tap into the all and everything (spiritually), and that nothingness.
 
perplexity said:
If your logic is nothing then it does nothing to explain.

Did you read the rest of the thread?

--- Ron.
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You're limiting yourself to knowing nothingness as a 'something' (entity) lesser than the word's own literal meaning.

--- Chris.
 
Chris_Smith said:
Perhaps words are what also limit our abilities to tap into the all and everything (spiritually), and that nothingness.
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without words we are automatically part of the greater whole, words are what has enabled us to imagine we are seperate. If we all spoke the same language at the same time, we would realise we were one and the same but it is the difference that permits us to assume we are individual.
 
perplexity said:
How often indeed does somebody know what I know when they've not even bothered to read what I wrote.

--- Ron.
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well you know how that works Ron, 'presumption', my most detested word.

'To presume anything is to admit to an absence of knowledge' Leah
 
perplexity said:
How then, please, does that relate to the manifestation of consciousness?

If you are trying to say that it is a waste of time to attempt to discuss the subject,
it might have been more convincing not to have attempted to say so.

--- Ron.
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Oil that mechanical brain of yours... Threads strengthen or weaken half way through - there's no law to that. We're still on the subject of consciousness though. And besides my darling, the very manifestation of consciousness is still what we're questioning... I'm suggesting that you might have a "boxed in" mentality, where you're only understanding the literal. But pigeonholing people or anything, isn't the done thing now is it Ron.

--- Chris.
 
perplexity said:
I am certainly not your darling, Mr. Smith, nor am I usually considered to be "mechanical" or "boxed in".

Your comments would thus rather suggest to me that you have hardly read anything that I have written before.

We are otherwise of course boxed in by the literal, because the postings are literal, written.
This is a science forum, though some may prefer to be irrational or ignorant as if to prove to be nothing.

Did you read the rest of the thread?

--- Ron.
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Yes - of course I've read this thread... The point to this thread, as Theory of Relativity puts it, is to look at the intricacy of consciousness, and how it manifests from nothing? To attempt to answer this better, just merely exploring what this consciousness is, in regard to what I've contributed to this thread so far (notion of nothingness, that instinct calls imagination), relates pretty damn well. P.S. sorry for ruffling your pigeon feathers... (Couldn't resist) ;)
 
Hmmm... Perhaps too abstract for some... This one's for you darling - Another way of interpreting the same thing... Would be to say - logic is fractal, imagination is fractal - though metaphysical (Ron). Could consciousness be the fractal compromise between the two in this instinctive, mass soup of reflex actioning? However, unconsciousness (still fractal and metaphysical, and reflex actioning), could be regarded as our one true reality. As they're no human/logical limitations (pattern recognition) presented to hinder it.

--- Chris.
 
Chris_Smith said:
Hmmm... Perhaps too abstract for some... This one's for you darling - Another way of interpreting the same thing... Would be to say - logic is fractal, imagination is fractal - though metaphysical (Ron). Could consciousness be the fractal compromise between the two in this instinctive, mass soup of reflex actioning? However, unconsciousness (still fractal and metaphysical, and reflex actioning), could be regarded as our one true reality. As they're no human/logical limitations (pattern recognition) presented to hinder it.

--- Chris.
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phwooooooooooarrrr did someone mention fractals? My most favourite thing. A thread dedicated to them I think...........coming soon!
 
Theoryofrelativity said:
is it though? We describe everything in 'words',

This is the best 'word' to describe the multitude of experiences that we allegedly do not have, are incapable of generating or manifesting ourselves (allegedly) is it not? God = consciousness = coincidence = nothingness = everything = every word = no words, what would we be without the words to define ourselves and our existance.

No words to contemplate or reflect upon our origin, our life and our death, to exist without contemplation and reflection is ..............



................

thus we know within that nothingness exists 'words'
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how do you do it, ToR? :)
 
Chris_Smith said:
Hmmm... Perhaps too abstract for some... This one's for you darling - Another way of interpreting the same thing... Would be to say - logic is fractal, imagination is fractal - though metaphysical (Ron). Could consciousness be the fractal compromise between the two in this instinctive, mass soup of reflex actioning? However, unconsciousness (still fractal and metaphysical, and reflex actioning), could be regarded as our one true reality. As they're no human/logical limitations (pattern recognition) presented to hinder it.

--- Chris.
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What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know what fractal geometry is? Let alone to trying to apply this to the manifestation of consciousness? Obviously you are introducing a personal seclusive definition to the term, that has no relation to consciousness to begin with, that you are now trying to introduce, and nobody knows what the hell you are talking about except you in your own little secluded esoteric world, so what's the point in even introducing it? Geez!

What a bewildering science fiction mess this thread has turned into. None of this has any basis in scientific factual thought, although I suppose for those who drift off into nether-nether land at night, this provides plenty of fantasizing amuzement for colorful dreams. And why not? Theres nothing wrong with dreaming. That's what creates these ideas.
 
Hello Valich

I was petty in proving to Ron sarcastically, that I'd read the whole thread... but that's in the past now. My contribution to this subject though, is merely to explain that we can actually attempt to explore the most impossible yet ultimate truth that we (as a conscious entity), don't exist, as our imaginations are not physical - logically speaking.:eek:
 
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