Enmos
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Well, what can I say. I'm fascinated by religion.
I'm just trying to follow the discussion from a theists point of view.
How do you determine what in the bible is fact and what is fiction?
How and why do angels fight?
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Well, what can I say. I'm fascinated by religion.
I'm just trying to follow the discussion from a theists point of view.
How do you determine what in the bible is fact and what is fiction?
Could you stop making assumptions?
Ladies?
I take you're (oh no, not again!) assuming that "Jan" automatically = female?
Oops.
Try reading my previous answer on this. And once you've read it try to understand it.
If you'd bother to read my posts, as opposed to cherry-picking to support your assumed "negativity" you might understand.
The bible (supposedly some sort of source on angels and the like) contradicts itself.
I don't, this information is based in scriptuure (bhagava puranas)
I'm just providing this as a response to your questions.
jan.
Elongated pointless cyclical debate denied, I will read your stance on angels though.
Peace.
Angels do not disagree, they are told what to do and they do it, they are not like humans with free will, they are instruments and gods tools.
peace.
What about Satan?
hmm yes, thatis wherethe Genie legend/myth comes from. becauseyou can communicate with them and ask for their help with material things but it is forbidden.
Thats where the granting genie wishes comesfrom the trading oftheir service for your oath.
peace.
I understand where you are coming from, but there is a flaw in this statement;
In his 'Aja'ib al-makhluqat (Marvels of Creation) the famous cosmographer al-Qazwini (d. 682/1283) utilizes the Quran, the Hadith, and the later tradition to provide a detailed description of fourteen kinds of angels.
Either these Angels exhibited free-will, or they were somehow commanded by Allah. The latter doesn't appear to be correct.
jan.
Oh, the made up thing is another kind of made up thing. Are you sure he's not a leprechaun?
To me it looks like god was doing a little test, to see what an angel would do in comparison to humans having to fight sin and evil on earth, or in other words how they would "stack up" against each-other in righteous-ness if they were given humans free will. This is an interesting `Question you have asked, would you like to post the suran in my Quran Thread? s we can discuss it in further details.
thanks.
No there isn't.
Read what you quoted:
Supposedly free will is an attribute of man. The "flaw" doesn't exist.
Are you sure you haven't wasted 6 years of your spare time debating fairy tales with foolish kiddies?. Youhave gotten worse you was not this aggressivein your agendabefor.
Moremilitantyouhave become please turn backfrom that path, I remember talking to you 6 years ago and your heart was softer.
PEace
It's all Jan's fault.
Hey brother it is wise that you abandon taking the biblicalscriptures as Gospecl, pun intended. They will lead you to give fuel to trolls who wish to wage war on god and his way. The Quran clears up allof these miss-conceptions about "Angels and fighting" etc and lots more.
I swear
I agree. When do we kill the infidel? I can't wait to be all self-righteous and wear a funny hat.
No there isn't.
Read what you quoted:
Supposedly free will is an attribute of man. The "flaw" doesn't exist.
I don't understand what you're getting at here.
Despite being created for a certain purpose, they disobeyed Allah.
That can only be their choosing, meaning they had the capacity to choose.
Also, it does not mention that they had acquired free-will, nor anywhere does it mention that free-will is a purrely human attribute.
jan.