Homeopathy

There was an interesting article about homeopathy in a recent New Scientist - some old geezer called Edzard Ernst I think - it was pretty well balanced and didn't pull any punches - which is unusual for someone from that school of medicine.

If you can't find the article on the web, I'll have a rummage through the library in my toilet where I keep my new scientist (and judge dredd & silver surfer) magazines and post some of it up.
 
Dr. Nancy Malik said:
Homeopathy: Micro Doses Mega Results
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OK Nancy, obviously you believe in homeopathy because it's how you shill coin from people to make a living, but how do you reconcile this with the published articles in 'The Lancet' which have shown no significant superiority over a placebo?

You know what Avogadros number is, yes? So how do you explain away the 'infinite dilution' of solutions until it's unlikely that a single molecule from the original solution is in a subsequent dilution? How is that supposed to be effective?

Also, as I have asked on this thread, as there is a finite amount of water on the planet, and it will, over time, have come into contact, or actually have been part of the very plant that is the alleged remedy, why is rainwater not homeopathic? If there is a 'memory effect' why does water forget? What is the 'shelf life' of a homeopathic remedy?
 
phlogistician said:
OK Nancy, obviously you believe in homeopathy because it's how you shill coin from people to make a living, but how do you reconcile this with the published articles in 'The Lancet' which have shown no significant superiority over a placebo?

You know what Avogadros number is, yes? So how do you explain away the 'infinite dilution' of solutions until it's unlikely that a single molecule from the original solution is in a subsequent dilution? How is that supposed to be effective?

Also, as I have asked on this thread, as there is a finite amount of water on the planet, and it will, over time, have come into contact, or actually have been part of the very plant that is the alleged remedy, why is rainwater not homeopathic? If there is a 'memory effect' why does water forget? What is the 'shelf life' of a homeopathic remedy?
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You know you are wasting time talking to these people, The dumbos, who can be persuaded to believe anything and the practitioners who make money from the dumbos. Your point on memory is well made.
 
phlogistician said:
Of course I know the answer. Water only retains an imprint when it's exchanged for cash!
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Seriously though, I think we should all stop washing. The idea of water retaining the memory of all those dirty people disgusts me. God, all those people and animals crapping in the Ganges makes my stomach turn.
 
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An inactive substance against which investigational treatments are compared for efficacy. See also Placebo Controlled Study.
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a pill, topical, or injection made to appear exactly like a test medication, but without any of its active ingredients.
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An inactive substance or treatment that looks the same as, and is given the same way as, an active drug or treatment being tested. The effects of the active drug or treatment are compared to the effects of the placebo.
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A pharmacologically inert substance that may elicit a significant reaction entirely because of the mental set of the patient or the physical setting in which the drug is taken.
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An inactive substance or dummy treatment administered to a control group to compare its' effects with a real substance, drug or treatment.
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(pla-see'bo)- An inactive substance resembling a medication, given for psychological effect or as a control in evaluating a medicine believed to be active. It is usually a tablet, capsule, or injection that contains a harmless substance but appears to be the same as the medicine being tested. ...
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inactive substances used in experimental blinded drug studies.
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The sugar pill of research, often used to discourage a mysterious Mr. Hawthorne from making an untimely appearance. In the South, pronounced place-bo.
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An inactive, harmless substance with no direct beneficial effects. Usually used in clinical studies for comparison to measure the effectiveness of an experimental drug or regimen.
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A "look-alike" dummy pill that does not contain drug; placebos are often used in clinical trials.
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Seriously though, I think we should all stop washing. The idea of water retaining the memory of all those dirty people disgusts me. God, all those people and animals crapping in the Ganges makes my stomach turn.
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Well, quite xD

Homeopathy = The gullible and desperate drinking water.

Probably good to keep yourself hydrated, but curing illnesses? Really.

It may have had something else in it originally, but its been removed. Therefore - it's still just water.

Utter madness.
 
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