Holocaust Industry = Hate Speech?

[S.A.M.]

Dear S.A.M.,

You have received a warning at SciForums.com.

Reason:
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Hate speech

Holocaust industry.
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Original Post:
[post]2443524[/post]

Amazing, so gym teachers are no longer allowed an opinion on the holocaust in classes which have nothing to do with history. Americans are now required to support the holocaust industry or else. No questions allowed.

Stop playing stupid SAM. You know why it's touchy.

No I don't. Why is it touchy?

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SciForums.com

My academic citation for the term used:

The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering is a book published in 2000 by Norman G. Finkelstein, that argues that the American Jewish establishment exploits the memory of the Nazi Holocaust for political and financial gain, as well as to further the interests of Israel.[1] According to Finkelstein, this "Holocaust industry" has corrupted Jewish culture and the authentic memory of the Holocaust. Finkelstein's parents were both Holocaust survivors who had been inmates of concentration camps.[2]

The book was a bestseller in Europe, the Middle East and the Americas, and has been translated into 16 languages.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_Industry

 

[S.A.M.]

Add this:

Dear S.A.M.,

You have received a warning at SciForums.com.

Reason:
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Hate speech

More hate from you.
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Original Post:
[post]2443981[/post]

Agreed, I have no relevance to or perspective on the holocaust. No western European one anyway. I do have a perspective on the holocaust, which is that it resulted in the creation of a Jewish state on Palestine and has been the justification for the sustenance of a "Jewish and democratic state", whatever that means.

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I'm not allowed to have a non western European perspective on the holocaust? Really? Its hate speech?

 

[S.A.M.]

And this:

In the absence of an apology from you, I will discuss with the other moderators a permanent ban for you.

It will be no real loss.

You have 24 hours.

So good bye and thanks for all the fish. :wave:

 

[Orleander]

“Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity”
Michel de Montaigne (French Philosopher and Writer. 1533-1592)

 

[S.A.M.]

Is that his opinion?

 

[Orleander]

Is that his opinion?

whatever.
I'm sad because I used to love your posts. They were informative and they opened up ideas to me that I had never thought before. But then they got hateful. You talked and talked but never listened. You don't want to share ideas, you want to preach. Its shameful.
I'm sad because I used to love your posts.

 

[S.A.M.]

Is it hateful to oppose overt bigotry? Or should we just talk about it?

Hateful is a pretty overused term here and covers a multitude of sins. It seems to me that its applied rather arbitrarily and only in one direction. I am still the same person speaking my own mind. You can take what you like from that.

 

[quadraphonics]

Is it hateful to oppose overt bigotry?

Depends on whether you oppose it in a malicious way.

However, you are an overt bigot in the first place, so you have no claim to be opposing such.

 

[Norsefire]

Remember, SAM, you're a 'bigot' to all these moral authorities on this board.

 

[S.A.M.]

Well of course, I am intolerant to having my point of view deemed to be unworthy for not being a western European one

 

[quadraphonics]

Remember, SAM, you're a 'bigot' to all these moral authorities on this board.

Anyone who consistently fails to integrate new knowledge that conflicts with their existing positions (as S.A.M. has done countless times, for example with the question of what is commemorated by Holocaust museums) is, by definition, a bigot. This is not an argument from authority, but a simple matter of observation of facts and application of a simple definition.

So, call me whatever you like. It isn't going to make you less of a bigot, or fool anyone in that regard. Quite the opposite.

On the other hand, if you don't like being called a bigot, you always have the option of not being one. But it seems that the issue here is that, like most children, you want to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[S.A.M.]

I recommend another Norman Finhelstein for you:

Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Chutzpah-Misuse-Anti-Semitism-History/dp/0520245989

 

[spidergoat]

I fail to understand how objecting to a teacher claiming as fact something which is clearly not a fact amounts to supporting a "holocaust industry". The introduction into the conversation of this no doubt beloved term is misplaced, and only seems to serve S.A.M.'s own sense of moral superiority.

 

[S.A.M.]

Probably because such actions are only seen where the ADL is active.

 

[spidergoat]

Then scholarly minded people should hope the ADL expands it's territory. The history deniers are all over the place. If it isn't the holocaust, it's evolution, or climate science, or geology.

 

[S.A.M.]

Then scholarly minded people should hope the ADL expands it's territory. The history deniers are all over the place. If it isn't the holocaust, it's evolution, or climate science, or geology.

Are we speaking about the same ADL?

http://www.adl.org/

 

[spidergoat]

Exactly.

 

[S.A.M.]

Clearly you are not familiar with their views on the Armenian genocide. They oppose its recognition. Or their public face, Foxman does.

Meanwhile, they are all supporters of the racist state of Israel. Hardly encouraging.

 

[spidergoat]

I just checked their website, and they don't.

 

[S.A.M.]

Oh have they stated their support for the Goldstone report and the civil rights of Palestinians?

Because the position on the Armenian genocide is public record:

In July 2007, Foxman's opposition to a congressional resolution recognizing the Armenian Genocide drew much criticism. “I don't think congressional action will help reconcile the issue. The resolution takes a position; it comes to a judgment,” said Foxman in a statement issued to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. “The Turks and Armenians need to revisit their past. The Jewish community shouldn't be the arbiter of that history, nor should the U.S. Congress." Sharistan Melkonian, chairwoman of the Armenian National Committee of Eastern Massachusetts, accused Foxman of engaging in "genocide denial" in an interview with the Boston Globe.[20] Various New England communities threatened to sever ties with the ADL-sponsored "No Place for Hate" program in response.[21] In August 2007, Foxman publicly affirmed the position of the Anti-Defamation League, "that the consequences of [the Ottoman government's] actions were indeed tantamount to genocide," but that a United States Congressional recognition of this history was unnecessary and not helpful.[22][23] He went on to state, "we continue to firmly believe that a Congressional Resolution on such matters is a counterproductive diversion and will not foster reconciliation between Turks and Armenians. We will not hesitate to apply the term 'genocide' in the future." Foxman additionally sent a letter to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan expressing regret over the difficulty his position caused for the government of Turkey: "We had no intention to put the Turkish people or its leaders in a difficult position." [24]