I don't know how else you explain this.
Hillary had to bus in supporters to fill her campaign rally's. Obama had to go outside and console those who couldn't get into his.
Democracy my ass.
Hillary Out of Race?
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I don't know how else you explain this.
Hillary had to bus in supporters to fill her campaign rally's. Obama had to go outside and console those who couldn't get into his.
Democracy my ass.
Other than the crying, could Bill Clinton be the other factor? He made some very anti-Obama soundbytes at the last minute.
Clinton was saying Obama was for the war. Is he descending into some Limbaugh level smearing? That would be sad.
Obama has closed the gap a little bit. Hopefully he ends solidly ahead. I'd just *love* to see Hillary's reaction to a loss after false hope.
Clinton was saying Obama was for the war. Is he descending into some Limbaugh level smearing? That would be sad.
Obama has closed the gap a little bit. Hopefully he ends solidly ahead. I'd just *love* to see Hillary's reaction to a loss after false hope.
madanthonywayne:
You're reading something into my post that I never said, and creating a straw man.
I never said every Republican was a redneck fundamentalist Christian. Your assumption that I think that says more about you than it does about me.
madanthonywayne said:
You're reading something into my post that I never said, and creating a straw man.
I never said every Republican was a redneck fundamentalist Christian. Your assumption that I think that says more about you than it does about me.
I don't care about it either. It's just interesting/fun to watch because I like some of the candidates. I like watching the Obama/Hillary thing. The GOP nom is a crapshoot but I'm still leaning toward Romney. He is the one I would trust in a crisis. None of the others.
Obama's only behind by 3%. The nite is young. And it's not over yet. I do hope Hillary wins though.
It's far too soon to be making THAT prediction! Even though I don't like Hillary, it's not over until the "flat" lady screams (and cries). 
She has made some devastating mistakes (I'll list some of them) But has time to correct them - if she gets smart enough.
1. The biggest of all is her attempt to conncet with those who want change and her paridoxial claims to BE offering change. Why? Because all of her senior campaign staff members are all straight from within the Beltway. They've been there for years, including with Bill. And if she were to win they would all be given Cabinet positions and such as a reward for having helped her. The result of that whould be NO change at all - just the same business as usual.
2. This is also connected with her promise of change. The people have grown very tired of the Bush/Clinton version of government for the past 28 years. Most do not want to extend it - they actually DO want change.
3. Last one I''ll mention (for now). Her recent "breaking voice, teary eyes" are certainly NOT the vision people have of a strong leader! Since she's obviously emotional, that also means unstable. Do you really want that for supreme leader of the country?????? And by the way, that's ALWAYS been the major complaint that most people have to the idea of a female president. (Question: have you seen any of the male contenders break down like that??)
She has made some devastating mistakes (I'll list some of them) But has time to correct them - if she gets smart enough.
1. The biggest of all is her attempt to conncet with those who want change and her paridoxial claims to BE offering change. Why? Because all of her senior campaign staff members are all straight from within the Beltway. They've been there for years, including with Bill. And if she were to win they would all be given Cabinet positions and such as a reward for having helped her. The result of that whould be NO change at all - just the same business as usual.
2. This is also connected with her promise of change. The people have grown very tired of the Bush/Clinton version of government for the past 28 years. Most do not want to extend it - they actually DO want change.
3. Last one I''ll mention (for now). Her recent "breaking voice, teary eyes" are certainly NOT the vision people have of a strong leader! Since she's obviously emotional, that also means unstable. Do you really want that for supreme leader of the country?????? And by the way, that's ALWAYS been the major complaint that most people have to the idea of a female president. (Question: have you seen any of the male contenders break down like that??)
So "strong" people can't cry? There's nothing wrong with getting emotional about something you feel very passionate about. Considering she's been campaigning constantly for almost two years, these types of things come naturally. Now, this doesn't mean that I thought her teary eyes were legitimate or genuine, but even if they were, she shouldn't be scrutinized for it. Being emotional does not mean you're unstable. Would you really want a person who showed no emotion running your country?
Emotions are one thing that comes in many forms. WEAK emotions are NOT the mark of a fearless leader.
Two year, nothing! She's been working on this ever since Bill left office. Why do you think she moved and set up residence in New York? She's been a political animal FAR too long to just crack under the strain of loosing a singel caucas and only facing the second state in voting.
countezero
Registered Senior Member
See? What did I say... Can't count her out...
Perhaps some citizens of NH assumed that Obama would win because of his lead in the polls, and thus did not feel a responsibility or need to vote for him, believing that he would win regardless of their input. However, NH is largely an independent state, and perhaps John McCain took votes from Obama.
And then again, perhaps the whole thing was rigged, which I do not believe is farfetched at all. In fact, in my state (Washington) there were several recounts for our most recent governor [Gregoire (D)], and a Republican was the declared winner, only to have it go into multiple recounts, where the lead flipped repeatedly, and headlines in the news airing "mail-in votes lost" and such.
And on the note of presidency, I would be very afraid if Clinton was our president, not only because she breaks down (and I'm not referring to her recent balling) and is indecisive in my opinion. And while Obama isn't necessarily all that, despite his impressive syntax, I disagree with some things, but then again, my other alternative- McCain, isn't my favorite either. However, despite my preferences, Clinton is clearly still in this race.
And then again, perhaps the whole thing was rigged, which I do not believe is farfetched at all. In fact, in my state (Washington) there were several recounts for our most recent governor [Gregoire (D)], and a Republican was the declared winner, only to have it go into multiple recounts, where the lead flipped repeatedly, and headlines in the news airing "mail-in votes lost" and such.
And on the note of presidency, I would be very afraid if Clinton was our president, not only because she breaks down (and I'm not referring to her recent balling) and is indecisive in my opinion. And while Obama isn't necessarily all that, despite his impressive syntax, I disagree with some things, but then again, my other alternative- McCain, isn't my favorite either. However, despite my preferences, Clinton is clearly still in this race.
countezero
Registered Senior Member
No more so than the woman interviewed in South Carolina who equated seeing Obama and Oprah to a "religious experience." Or the woman who liked Edward because she liked his hair. In other words, most of the reasons people vote the way they do are "hopelessly pathetic."
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
Hillarys win in NH stinks to high heaven. How come the polls correctly predicted every other race, but the only race they were WAY off on was Hillary and Barak's. I wonder why?
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/obama_and_paul.html
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/obama_and_paul.html
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
Yeah, Obama lost just like Gore did. The election was stolen from him. Not.
There are several theories of why Hil had a comeback, the most pathetic being her croc tears worked with the stupid/young woman voters.
Doesn't matter because she's going to get obliterated in the S.C primaries.
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
Exactly, how come all those people who allegedly voted for her can't make it to any of her rallies? The pundits mentioned that Obama had the biggest crowds that they've ever seen in N.H. 700 people inside his rallies, and 700 people outside who couldn't get in. Hillary didn't draw those crowds to her rallies. But she sure did drive them to the polls. And her staged IRON MY SHIRT fiasco was dispicable.
The polls were off in general, everybody's races.ganymede said:
The most accurate poll on the Hillary/Barack vote (one of the major polls almost nailed it - had Barack,but by by less than a point) was the least accurate on the Republican side (picked Romney to win).
Predictive polls are not the same as exit polls, for evaluating vote counts and the like.
If I wanted to cobble up a conspiracy, I would look at whether Hillary's campaign manipulated the polls in advance, to maximise the favorable impact of what they could see would be close vote, and maximise the known tendency of NH voters to react against being pushed and assumed. All the reports of discouraged staff, emotional distress, etc - not the sort of thing one would expect from the Machine after a small setback like Iowa. Barack's a rookie at this - his confidence and charisma just got used against him.
countezero
Registered Senior Member
Crowds at campaign rallies don't necessarily translate into votes at the polls. People forget to vote, change their mind, aren't registered — there's a whole host of reasons. For example, I went to an Edwards event to hear him speak, but I would never vote for the man. About 40,000 people went to see Oprah/Obama at USC in Columbia, but I doubt he gets that many votes from it. College kids never vote.
I read in the news that she won...something, and she really looks happy about it. So she can't be out of the race yet. I saw Magdaline Albright at barnes and noble bookstore last evening, she came to sign her new book, everybody seem to really like her. I' sure alot of people couldn't believe their eyes, including me. I can proudly say I have seen the former secetary of state.