Here's a great new religion!

[PsychoticEpisode]

I think norsefire wrongly tagged this as a religion. I simple see it as a philosophy by which to run the earth.

I can't believe he is serious but there are people who would follow it.

 

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

I like the ideology, I understand it would probably never work in practice, instead of mocking it with "i cant believe" 's why don't you bother to actually defeat the idea with logic and rational argument.

 

[PsychoticEpisode]

I like the ideology, I understand it would probably never work in practice, instead of mocking it with "i cant believe" 's why don't you bother to actually defeat the idea with logic and rational argument.

I'll give it some thought but Norsefire doesn't come off as someone who would give a shit. I like Norsefire, don't get me wrong. He reminds me of me in some ways. Take a topic, throw a wrench into it and see what comes out the other end. I like outside-the-box thinking but you have to be careful of where the line in the sand is. I think he's a young guy/gal just trying to stimulate people into seeing something different. I play that game too, so I feel guilty trying to prove him wrong because I can see what he's doing. I like to see the eventual outcome myself so I generally stay out of Norsefire posts except for the odd snippet or two. No disrespect intended.

Anyway, can you work out a religion that includes golf. Heading out to play a round right now.

 

[Michelle Redford]

Nice idea, but that's not religion in my opinion. It's just a way of life, a philosophy.

 

[CheskiChips]

Add some eugenics in there and when you rise to power you've got a good holocaust brewing.

 

[Non-Logical-Idea-Guy]

Add some eugenics in there and when you rise to power you've got a good holocaust brewing.

Eugenics is not always as bad or extreme as hitler made it seem.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

Add some eugenics in there and when you rise to power you've got a good holocaust brewing.

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M*W: Christians are to blame for the Holocaust.

 

[Betrayer0fHope]

No, the Jews are because they just had to be inferior.

 

[Norsefire]

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M*W: Christians are to blame for the Holocaust.

How so? Hitler was an atheist.

Yes, yes, he made mention of the "Almighty Creator" and all of that, but he didn't actually believe in it, he just saw its value as a tool.

To support this conclusion, this:

Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but after he left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments,[246] Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and professed a belief in Jesus Christ.[247] In his speeches and publications Hitler spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."[248][249] His private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of traditional Christianity.[250] However, in contrast to early Nazi ideologues, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or Ariosophy,[250] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[251][252] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[251][253] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.
This sounds alot like interest in it as a tool

Hitler believed in Arthur de Gobineau's ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race"—guided by "Providence"—was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization. In Hitler's conception Jews were enemies of all civilization.

Hitler, despite his native Catholicism, favored aspects of Protestantism if they were more amenable to his own objectives. At the same time, he adopted some elements of the Catholic Church's hierarchical organization, liturgy and phraseology in his politics.[254][255]

Hitler expressed admiration for the Muslim military tradition. According to one confidant, Hitler stated in private, "The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness..."[256]

source: wikipedia


He was obviously only interested in it as a tool

 

[azriel]

Not knowing what else is out there kind of limits your power base. The religion is not universal unless you can prove that in all the cosmos that we are the epitome of living creatures. Heaven forbid that when or if we are ever face to face with an intelligence and potency far exceeding ours that you would join the ranks of the weak and pathetic and serve your Masters. I think what you're proposing is hilarious though.

Interesting, so by your philosophy if I'm more powerful or intelligent than you (an obvious give in) then you would serve me, and if the weak are not to be pitied ,once I tire of your lack of significance then I could merely dispose of you because you serve very little purpose to the common superiority of humanity. That works for me, the only good fool is a dead fool. You should be a politician you can speak out of both sides of your face pretty well.

 

[Medicine*Woman]

No, the Jews are because they just had to be inferior.

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M*W: What makes you think the Jews were inferior!

 

[James R]

The Tenets of my religion:

1] Humanity and the Human will is before all else

Why?

2] Humanity is the epitomy of all life

You'll need to provide some evidence of that before I'll adopt your "religion".

3] All other lifes' sole purpose is to serve the Human will

Doesn't seem to be true, just as a matter of observed fact.

4] The elite make their own moral decisions

Everybody makes their own moral decisions.

5] Pity and tolerance for the weak is foolish and restricitive upon the Human will

I'd say is is empowering for the weak and foolish, at the very least.

6] (No stance given on the supernatural, but...) ...Humanity first, mysticism and the belief in the supernatural is detrimenal to Human willpower

Why?

7] Humanity controls its own destiny

Clearly, there are plenty of natural forces far more powerful than anything humans can do.

8] Human superiority shall be praised

By humans? So, this is a self-importance club then, is it?

9] The strong-willed, ambitious, and competent come before the weak, foolish, and pathetic

"Come before" in what way?

10] The weak and pathetic of Humanity live to serve the strong-willed and competent

But they don't, as a matter of observed fact.

11] Human will must be satisfied at all costs

But not the will of the weak and pathetic, apparently.

Now you're contradicting yourself.

12] Morality, of the self and of society, is relative to their respective goals

Don't know what this means.

13] There shall be a personal goal and a social goal, of Humanity as a whole
14] They must not conflict in any way

Are you going to enforce that? How?

15] Human unity first and foremost
- Social unity of goal, mind, loyalty, and identity absolutely key to Human achievement

Who sets the goal? You enforces loyalty? Who does the mind meld?

16] Sacrifices in the name of unified Human will is justified

Sacrifices of whom? By whom?

17] Power and status must be earned

How?

18] In relation to other fellow Humans, be unified upon your common goal, protect integrity, and pursue that goal; show loyalty and act in a manner beneficial to Humanity

But not the weak and stupid in humanity?

What is this "humanity" you speak of?

19] He who earns absolute power, given willingly by social consensus, is beyond Human, but now a god

So, he flops out of your "religion" then, and is no longer worthy of moral consideration of others.

He should be sacrificed in the name of the human will, by tenet 16 of your scheme.

 

[spidergoat]

I've been developing a relligion focused mainly on Humanity, and the superiority and power of the Human will...

Congratulations, you re-discovered Nazism.