Hell and its punishments

[Pineal]

So you've got these two guys, ones good and ones bad, and they don't get on. One rules over the most of the entire universe and one rules in a place called Hell.

So if you steal and swear and act like a dick your whole life, and you go to hell for being 'bad', why does the Devil punish you?
Surely he should like you because you've acted up all your life.

Well, you can see in human relationships how some people treat the people they like and love, so with the devil, it could be only more so. I mean think of S and M couples as a fairly common counterexample. I just don't want to be the love of a Sadist's life.

Though I am sure I could happily go out to dinner and be friends with some of them.

So just multiply that with some hypothetical devil - like when he goes out to
dinner with you, he eats you. Because he likes you.

 

[kx000]

The devil treats you how you treat others, he follows the golden rule, in a way, he does unto others, and then others do unto him, but there are few who can match he. Thats why he wages war with man, not God. Even in Michael he sits in the mercy seat, for he has done nothing for his soul to burn. Want to make a deal? YOU make the deal, he just offers it. This is why in the devil I find a friend. He is righteous, he does his job, he does not bitch, he is a man, he does not find fault. Why does he do what he does? because he wants it to end. He is the part of God that says fuck it all, this is not worth the effort. He knows what was offered to man, and he see's us piss it away. He will meet his ends when he so choses, if he does not chose to die then he will forever and forever in peace, as part of the holy spirit.

 

[Pineal]

signal is gonna hate this answer ..

maybe the devil is not punishing..p@signal)

maybe he thinks he is rewarding those ppl..

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you..
if you treat others with contempt and mistreat, abuse,or just plain be mean to others, maybe he see's this as how you want to be treated...

<edit> oh and signal, do you believe all that? your comment of 'Do keep up:' infers it..

But then God is misinterpreting the that rule. The rule is not...
do unto others as they do unto others
So unless you think God does not know what they want, God would be being evil.

 

[Pineal]

Punishment can merely be the difference between smelling something good and something bad.

After smelling chocolate for a mere couple of months I would find it sickening, and I like that smell. After a few millions years.....

 

[Pineal]

The devil treats you how you treat others

No one here can torture someone for eternity, so this isn't true. And just to check in, this would mean you do not believe good people of other religions will go to hell. IOW it is OK not to accept Jesus as your savior as long as you are a good person. If, however, you do believe such people got to hell, then again the devil is not doing what they did to others.

he follows the golden rule, in a way, he does unto others, and then others do unto him, but there are few who can match he. Thats why he wages war with man, not God. Even in Michael he sits in the mercy seat, for he has done nothing for his soul to burn. Want to make a deal? YOU make the deal, he just offers it. This is why in the devil I find a friend. He is righteous, he does his job, he does not bitch,

How do you know he does not bitch.

he is a man

He is?,

he does not find fault

HOw do you know this?

. Why does he do what he does? because he wants it to end. He is the part of God that says fuck it all, this is not worth the effort.

And this?

 

[kx000]

No one here can torture someone for eternity, so this isn't true.

Wrong. Man tortures its self for eternity.

And just to check in, this would mean you do not believe good people of other religions will go to hell.

Lmao. It doesn't mater what religion you follow, not in the slightest.

IOW it is OK not to accept Jesus as your savior as long as you are a good person.

The day will come were you will either have to accept the Lord, or burn.

If, however, you do believe such people got to hell, then again the devil is not doing what they did to others.

The devil didn't create hell, God did.

How do you know he does not bitch. He is?,HOw do you know this?

Because I do, have faith.

And this?

Im just telling you what faith tells me.

 

[Dywyddyr]

Wrong. Man tortures its self for eternity.

Self-evidently false.
And the rest of your post is just as inane.

 

[Big Chiller]

I tend to agree with this. If I was tortured for eternity - or just a mere trillion years - I would not have any qualities of the person I was before this. I would have nothing like a personality, let alone my own. I would be flesh in pain. I would have no hopes, dream, expectations - I would do nothing that I do.

The mistake you're making is you're picturing what you cannot even properly conceive (which is regardless of how you feel about it.) We simply do not or cannot know how it is to be tortured for a trillion years (forget eternity) same goes for going to paradise for eternity.

As a separate issue...anyone who can accept a God that does this I would not let near my children. How could anyone accept such a God and call him loving? What if they did something loving to my children?

No one accepts or can accept a God that does this because no one can conceive of such punishment one can only believe in this.

 

[Pineal]

The mistake you're making is you're picturing what you cannot even properly conceive (which is regardless of how you feel about it.) We simply do not or cannot know how it is to be tortured for a trillion years (forget eternity) same goes for going to paradise for eternity.

No, I am pretty sure I know what would happen to me. I trust my intuition on this one.

No one accepts or can accept a God that does this because no one can conceive of such punishment one can only believe in this.

It seems like a lot of people accept a God like this. Worse they think someone could deserve such a thing.

 

[Big Chiller]

No, I am pretty sure I know what would happen to me. I trust my intuition on this one.

It seems like a lot of people accept a God like this. Worse they think someone could deserve such a thing.

Maybe you know what would happen but I am completely sure that you do not know exactly how it could be. Anyway it's not recommendable to discuss the incomprehensible nature of the afterlife with one who's boastful according to my intuition.

 

[Pineal]

Maybe you know what would happen but I am completely sure that you do not know exactly how it could be. Anyway it's not recommendable to discuss the incomprehensible nature of the afterlife with one who's boastful according to my intuition.

So you have the skills to know what I can and cannot know about myself, but I do not have this. And now you insult and judge me and not in response to my judging you or insulting you, since I did not do this.

I never claimed I would know exactly how it would be. But the core destruction of my self, that I know. I assume it would happen fairly quickly also, no need for millions or even thousands of years. Ever been with someone who's been tortured? Ever seen them shortly after release? I have, a number of times.

The British Army could break people down really fast into gibbering, psychotic babblers using stress positions, yelling, sleep deprivation, loud music and hooding the prisoners. Here we are talking mere days of what many people would not think of as torture.

 

[Pineal]

Anyway it's not recommendable to discuss the incomprehensible nature of the afterlife with one who's boastful according to my intuition.

If it is incomprehensible, then it would not be recommended to discuss it with anyone, since anyone making any statements about it - something that is incomprehensible - is implicitly claiming to know something about the incomprensible, and thus boasting. IOW discussing God or Hell or Heaven with Christians would not be recommended, since they claim to know things about these incomprehensible entities.

And are thus boasting.