Health Care Bill Debate

John99 said:
it is funny because in one state they are debating weather you should be allowed to carry a gun in a bar. but i am sure in many countries they carry guns in pubs.
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Not really. I have yet to be in a European country where it is legal for an ordinary citizen to carry a weapon. In Prague it seems a lot of people do own firearms but they certainly are not paraded around in public and I am sure this is really just a by-product of their years of war and invasion. In Cambodia people used to carry firearms all over the place including bars but that has since stopped. The U.S is another matter altogether and how or where one is allowed to show a firearm is dependent on State. I do remember while living in Eureka Springs, Arkansas many of the locals had firearms in their homes and vehicles. What is strange is that its been the only place where I have ever lived where I could go out and leave my door unlocked without getting robbed.
 
Lucysnow said:
Not really. I have yet to be in a European country where it is legal for an ordinary citizen to carry a weapon. In Prague it seems a lot of people do own firearms but they certainly are not paraded around in public and I am sure this is really just a by-product of their years of war and invasion. In Cambodia people used to carry firearms all over the place including bars but that has since stopped. The U.S is another matter altogether and how or where one is allowed to show a firearm is dependent on State. .
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i agree. i am not sure but i believe that some parts of Australia and Canada guns are carried openly. whever there is hunting most likely.
 
Really? I thought it was just an American site, every 2nd thread is some U.S partisan politicking Bullshit.
 
I love how the US cant keep its own domestic politics within its boarders. the amusing atack on Hawkins and the NHS being an example of that.
 
nietzschefan said:
Really? I thought it was just an American site, every 2nd thread is some U.S partisan politicking Bullshit.
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Then don't post in them. Your eyes won't bleed if you avoid these threads. But you, stomping in and demanding that the people on an international website refrain from debating, bringing up or discussing a particular area because it's sensitive to you is both petulant and a little ignorant. There's nothing we can, or should, do to curtail the US-centric threads. Most members of SciForums--for better or worse--are American. Just as important, what happens in the USA (disproportionate to any other nation on Earth) effects the lives of all other nations.

I'm sure you know there are numerous "other" topics throughout the forum covering issues both international and local to various regions. If you don't find one that satisfies you, then feel free to start the topic.

~String
 
Asguard said:
I love how the US cant keep its own domestic politics within its boarders. the amusing atack on Hawkins and the NHS being an example of that.
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Really? The USA? All of it? Every last bit?

See what you just did? You demonized an entire nation of 300 million (somewhere about half of whom actually WANT a system like the NHS, I would note) because you're annoyed at the other half. Where's the liberal, intellectual sensibility that you're always bragging about Asguard?

~String
 
Hey pal your the one responding to ME. I am just tell these guys to check out ALL the provinces not ones that or "poor" or are overwhelmed with immigrants. As I said each province has different health care problems. I don't give a fuck if you have a problem with how I cannot avoid these threads. I can tell them to get a fucking clue if I damn well want, nothing wrong with that.
 
nietzschefan said:
I am just tell this guys to check out ALL the provinces not ones that or "poor" or are overwhelmed with immigrants.
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That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think. You said, "Go bitch about Obama or something, leave Canadian problems to Canadians." Which implies that somehow Canada is a topic that's off limits.

nietzschefan said:
As I said each province has different health care problems.
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Neither you nor I were addressing that issue just now, and you know it.

nietzschefan said:
I don't give a fuck if you have a problem with how I cannot avoid these threads.
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There is no issue with your post. If there were, they'd merely be deleted. You can discuss all you want, complain all you want, demand all you want. I was merely informing that (a) any topic is allowed in the political subforum and (b) if you didn't like the limited choices, you were free to create one to your liking.

~String
 
superstring01 said:
That's a bit of a stretch, don't you think. You said, "Go bitch about Obama or something, leave Canadian problems to Canadians." Which implies that somehow Canada is a topic that's off limits.
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Wow String you *are* high up in HR aren't you, selective reading or comprehension...
I said that because I know they don't know nothing from googling some regional news items.


superstring01 said:
Neither you nor I were addressing that issue just now, and you know it.
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Then don't engage me.
 
So, the demand that people not debate the Canadian health care system, the complaints about the topic content, what was all that about?

~String
 
string i didnt demonise anyone. I simply stated a point that people in the US in public light (be it public office, media or lobiests) have a tendancy to project issues out rather than containing them in. By this i dont mean that you shouldnt take evidence from other countries on issues and see wether it would apply internally but rather that when an issue hits the US, these people have a tendancy to project out.

Australia does it to an extent as well, for instance when changes to medicare are suggested the cries are "we dont want to americanise our system" rather than we dont want to make changes which would lead to "health for sale"

The only real difference is that i doubt anyone in the US would actually HEAR about these sorts of arguments because they tend to be at the fringe rather than the core arguements (or at least the loudest arguments) and even if it was i highly doubt the majority of americans would actually have even HERD of channel 7 news to use an example of where your more likly to hear this sort of argument (oviously sciforums people are not typical of this as you have australians like myself who do post alot of news from australian sources).
 
Here's the fucking OECD, everyone who gives a shit - read it. It's official and not political.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/33/38979719.pdf

Canada isn't the best no. The countries that beat Canada typicall have MORE government involvment in Healthcare.

Take a good look at how hard the Americans are getting fucked. It's hilarious. Ohooohooo Canada's healthcare suck. Laffs...
 
spidergoat said:
Everyone was in the military in Germany, but no, not at the time.
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No I meant if they were military men in the american or british bases they had there.

"Firearms carry permits entitle licensees to publicly carry legally owned weapons, loaded in a concealed or non-concealed manner. A mandatory legal and safety class and shooting proficiency tests are required to obtain such a permit. Carry permits are usually only issued to persons with a particular need for carrying a firearm. This includes licensed hunters, law-enforcement officers, security personnel and persons living under a raised threat-level like celebrities and politicians."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany
 
He was German, and he probably did have a permit, I didn't know him that well, a friend of a friend, they were in a German biker gang.
 
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