Has European multiculturalism gone too far?

[GeoffP]

A fellow named Fjordman (Fjord? Isn't that Norwegian? Meh whatever) seems to think it has, and I think I agree with him after reading his site. Calls for sharia in Malmo (a major city there), attacks on native Swedes by muslim immigrants for misogynist reasons, religious discrimination by muslims against native Swedes, 'honour' murders, beheading videos, vandalism, oppression of the working class, official shutdown of objective reporting on the issue...this has the makings of political correctness gone mad.

Read it all.

Geoff

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/05/new-york-times-and-sweden-dark-side-of.html

 

[Avatar]

Europe isn't one country, but there probably are places where it has gone too far.

 

[Microzoft]

What Fjordman describes is actually taking place (in various degrees) in most European countries, or what some here refers to as the “old Europe”. Perhaps the “economist” mentalities across Europe that once visualized a no-borders commonwealth of services and trade, were only counting the coins without regard to the lesson of history.

The clock is so far ahead winded that there’s no turning back, unless of course unrest develops of biblical proportions.

As an example, the German government is been accused of discriminating by requesting that those of Islamic religion fill up a form when applying for German citizenship, declining certain acts that although normal in their place of origin, they are in violation of laws or antisocial within Germany.

Basically, if Muslims don’t like alcohol or those who consume it, ladies in mini skirt, sexual equality, women bosses or pork eaters. Why do they want to live in such a devil’s place?
Why to live in misery surrounded by millions of sinners?

In addition to the religion factor, there’s the east-block factor. The majority of families that have moved into the west from oppressed Easter European countries, had nothing more then a better standard of living and general prosperity in their minds. However, an ever increasing number of “singles” are capitalizing on open societies by creating gangs involved in common theft and extortion as well as human trafficking. Unlike the Muslim counterpart, they have no interest in reviving their customs on foreign land; they simply want to capitalize on it.

When the collective sentiment of society grow discontented towards the lack of adaptation and the respect of their land by foreigners. It results in various degrees of discrimination. The native citizens are portrait as the violator and the foreign identity as the victim. The old Europe is next victimized to change their social laws, to shoulder the economic burden and to disarray their own social order that has taken thousands of year and endless wars to accomplish.

There’s really no nice side to the picture.

 

[GeoffP]

Europe isn't one country, but there probably are places where it has gone too far.

Technically it is these days. Let's hope Turkey doesn't get in.

Geoff

 

[Brian Foley]

Read it all.

Great he has just posted a blogspot with links to other white supremacist blogs and forums . Why dont you just come out a say you just hate people with dark skins , you racist wanker .

Oh yeah just one more thing whether you are a Jew or Moslem in the EU watch out hate has no favourites .

EU poll: Israel greatest threat to world peace
Fifty-nine percent of Europeans say that Israel is a larger threat to world peace than North Korea, Iran or Afghanistan, according to a European Commission survey of approximately 7,500 Europeans, scheduled to be made public on Monday.

They hate you equally as much .

 

[Zephyr]

Multiculturalism hasn't gone far enough. If people move to Europe and expect to be able to keep their wives locked up, they're the ones who aren't accepting of the mores of other cultures, ergo, they're the ones who aren't multicultural...

Luckily most immigrants aren't that extreme.

 

[Zephyr]

They hate you equally as much .

Yeah, Europeans hate everyone.

source

Groundskeeper Willy: It won't last, brothers and sisters are natural enemies. Like Englishmen and Scots. Or Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!

Principal Skinner: You Scots sure are a contentious people.

Groundskeeper Willy: You just made an enemy for life!

 

[GeoffP]

Great he has just posted a blogspot with links to other white supremacist blogs and forums . Why dont you just come out a say you just hate people with dark skins , you racist wanker .

?? The resident StormFronter is calling me racist? The anti-Jewish bigot?

...more BrianSpeak. Where's a mod when you need one?

Where are these links to white supremacist blogs? Find, I'll believe you: which ones are they?

I expect a retraction of your idiotic accusation. I won't get it, but I expect it all the same.

Geoff

 

[quadraphonics]

Multiculturalism hasn't gone far enough. If people move to Europe and expect to be able to keep their wives locked up, they're the ones who aren't accepting of the mores of other cultures, ergo, they're the ones who aren't multicultural...

That seems to me to get the idea of multiculturalism exactly backwards... the immigrants aren't demanding that the "natives" start locking up their wives. On the contrary, multiculturalism is the justification European natives use to avoid confronting immigrant communities when they engage in practices that violate local norms. This is presumably seen as the price of peace and quiet, but it is exactly the negation of any universal values or human rights.

I would say that it has gone way too far in Europe, although it seems likely to go even further. Beyond banning a few headscarves and tightening immigration controls, European publics seem to have little stomach for confronting any of these issues. Certainly they don't want to stir up the pot much when it comes to people already living in their countries... I guess a few more Theo Van Gogh's and honor killings must be less frightening than the riots France saw recently.

 

[Zephyr]

Or the memory of past fascists is more frightening than either.

Geoff ... that article you link to has a button saying 'Islamophobic and proud of it' on the left. :bugeye:

 

[Brian Foley]

?? The resident StormFronter is calling me racist? The anti-Jewish bigot?

...more BrianSpeak. Where's a mod when you need one?

Where are these links to white supremacist blogs? Find, I'll believe you: which ones are they?

I expect a retraction of your idiotic accusation. I won't get it, but I expect it all the same.

Geoff

Im sorry I thought when I checked out those links to other blogs on that site which are all rightwing Christain or anti immigration sites like the european ' Viking observer ' which carry stories like " Nurses: immigrant patients are a drag" where third world immigrants are described as dirty or the American blog ' Rednecks Revenge' with their anti Mexican and Arab bias were hate sites ! Oh my whatever deluded me to think such a thing !

Racist Wanker , Im watching you on this I wont tolerate hate sites with anti people messages like the ones you visit .

 

[D'ster]

Why do all the brown people want to move to the areas of all the white people?

 

[spiritual_spy]

Im sorry I thought when I checked out those links to other blogs on that site which are all rightwing Christain or anti immigration sites like the european ' Viking observer ' which carry stories like " Nurses: immigrant patients are a drag" where third world immigrants are described as dirty or the American blog ' Rednecks Revenge' with their anti Mexican and Arab bias were hate sites ! Oh my whatever deluded me to think such a thing !

Racist Wanker , Im watching you on this I wont tolerate hate sites with anti people messages like the ones you visit .

i saw nothing racist about it.

 

[Brian Foley]

Why do all the brown people want to move to the areas of all the white people?

Because we White people have royally fucked over their countries so we could live an affluent lifestyle at their expence and now they are coming to our nations to escape the mess we created in their countries seems fair to me .

i saw nothing racist about it.

Yeah well when you use words like non-Ayrans in your posting I imagine you wouldnt .

On the flip side every jew and non-arayan in europe and the middle east (and possibly all of africa) would be dead.

 

[spiritual_spy]

Because we White people have royally fucked over their countries so we could live an affluent lifestyle at their expence and now they are coming to our nations to escape the mess we created in their countries seems fair to me .

Yeah well when you use words like non-Ayrans in your posting I imagine you wouldnt .

as in refering to hitlers ideas not of my own. and if your gonna show the post show it all.

 

[D'ster]

Because we White people have royally fucked over their countries so we could live an affluent lifestyle at their expence and now they are coming to our nations to escape the mess we created in their countries seems fair to me .

Your saying that after white people "royally fucked over" brown people, that now brown people would still want to live around white people.

If a group of people was royally fucking me over, I would want to be as far away from that group as possible, would'nt you?

What you write makes brown people seem ignorant as a group.

 

[spiritual_spy]

Your saying that after white people "royally fucked over" brown people, that now brown people would still want to live around white people.

If a group of people was royally fucking me over, I would want to be as far away from that group as possible, would'nt you?

What you write makes brown people seem ignorant as a group.

No the reason latinos and everyone else wants in to the US is becuase compared to there countries (which are ran mostly by socialists,communists , dictators and gangs) the US is a haven.

 

[D'ster]

No the reason latinos and everyone else wants in to the US is becuase compared to there countries (which are ran mostly by socialists,communists , dictators and gangs) the US is a haven.

So then your saying that the more "latinos" in America the more "socialists,communists , dictators and gangs" America will have?

 

[spiritual_spy]

So then your saying that the more "latinos" in America the more "socialists,communists , dictators and gangs" America will have?

No, there goverments are ran by those groups but the countries people arent part of those roups for the most part. Becuase if they were they would be happy with there own countries.

 

[Brian Foley]

as in refering to hitlers ideas not of my own. and if your gonna show the post show it all.

Colur me unconvinced .

Your saying that after white people "royally fucked over" brown people, that now brown people would still want to live around white people.

No white people are living in brown areas like America , Canada , South America and Australia .

If a group of people was royally fucking me over, I would want to be as far away from that group as possible, would'nt you?

Go where ?

What you write makes brown people seem ignorant as a group.

Or its your own ignorance which makes you see it that way .