Gravity: The why and the how:

danshawen said:
Space is simply an artifact of time and the propagation of energy. Light travel time. Sorry, but the 2D rubber sheets really have to go.
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Sorry? :? Why?
The 2D rubber sheet and/or the analogy referenced in the OP, are just that, analogies. ALL analogies have limitations, and when those limitations are explained, they do a reasonable job in conveying what's going on.
The rest of your claims are convoluted to say the least, and not generally inferred. Space and time are co-ordinates that certainly are "related" and actually can be said to change within a BH.
http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/changing_places

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0705/0705.0941.pdf

Conclusions :
We have started with the light clock to derive time dilation, Doppler k-factor, addition of velocities, length contraction, Lorentz Transformations, invariance of spacetime interval. We specially tried to show that it is not difficult to deal with the spacetime coordinates in special relativity by manipulating their interrelations and interpreting a few simple events with the help of Minkowski diagram.
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John Connellan said:
At the atomic scale, gravity is almost negligible.
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Yes but negligible doesn't mean unaffected, just over shadowed by the other 3 forces which are much stronger at the atomic level. But even gravity at black hole levels compresses regular matter beyond what the other atomic forces can resist.
 
KilljoyKlown said:
Yes but negligible doesn't mean unaffected, just over shadowed by the other 3 forces which are much stronger at the atomic level. But even gravity at black hole levels compresses regular matter beyond what the other atomic forces can resist.
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Bingo! Gravity overcomes even the strong nuclear force within BH's.
 
danshawen said:
"Everywhere" is any point in any rotational direction in which energy can propagate, given a sufficient amount of time. The description of a "point", as well as "everywhere", as you have observed, is superfluous, as in not necessary to the description of a coordinate at all.
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You better clarify before Paddoboy gets gassed up fully, and starts releasing.

Anyways, by completely negating spatial aspect, are you not making the time the most fundamental and chucking the 3 dimensional geometry out. Not only GR goes (not that I would mind) but you are putting a question mark on flat / absolute nature of space as well. The concept that the "Time alone is everything", is non-intuitive, and anything which is non-intutive should be carefully pushed forward..


: 2D Rubber sheet and all is for uneducated but interested people. If a person is capable of understanding spacetime concept, then he does not require these BS analogies.
 
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paddoboy said:
The gravity distorts nothing other than the topology of spacetime.
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Where did you read this term 'topology' ? Its a complex mathematical term, beyond your grasp.

Anyway will you remain fully intact (without distortion) if you approach singularity of a BH....

Yes to give you a credit, distorting of light should be read as bending of light, if its causing any understanding problem to you...happy?
 
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The God said:
Where did you read this term 'topology' ? Its a complex mathematical term, beyond your grasp.
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Certainly way above your pay grade. But of course what I have said is correct.

The God said:
Anyway will you remain fully intact (without distortion) if you approach singularity of a BH....
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Your english is atrocious my friend...Didn't they teach you better than that at Bollywood school?
If I understand you correctly, what KilljoyKlown inferred is correct. Gravity overcomes all forces including the strong nuclear on the path to the Singularity, as referenced to you many times.

The God said:
Yes to give you a credit, distorting of light should be read as bending of light, if its causing any understanding problem to you...happy?
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Wrong on both counts. Are you incapable of reading? Light/photons simply follow geodesics. Or is it the word geodesics that has you fumbling?:rolleyes:
WIKI:
In general relativity, a geodesic generalizes the notion of a "straight line" to curved spacetime. Importantly, the world line of a particle free from all external, non-gravitational force, is a particular type of geodesic. In other words, a freely moving or falling particle always moves along a geodesic.
 
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paddoboy said:
If I understand you correctly, what KilljoyKlown inferred is correct. Gravity overcomes all forces including the strong nuclear on the path to the Singularity, as referenced to you many times.
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How and when did you reference to me or you are just remembering fondly the sweet pain caused to you by your bete noir.
 
The God said:
Not only GR goes (not that I would mind)
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GR won't go boy, despite your pathetic attempts to give the illusion you know something about it. It may in time be modified, but again that won't be by any alternative nut from this science forum.
The God said:
: 2D Rubber sheet and all is for uneducated but interested people. If a person is capable of understanding spacetime concept, then he does not require these BS analogies.
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:D
Havn't you noticed my boy, that even your fellow anti GR pals are steering a wide berth from you. Your nonsense is the crowning achievement of stupidity.
 
paddoboy said:
Havn't you noticed my boy, that even your fellow anti GR pals are steering a wide berth from you. Your nonsense is the crowning achievement of stupidity.
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As far as I know, only stupid and people lacking in analytical ability will oppose me ? No reasonable and sensible person will oppose my ideas. Problem with you is that unfortunately few of your brains faculties did not develop, one of them is ability to think out of box.....many people are here like you.
 
The God said:
How and when did you reference to me or you are just remembering fondly the sweet pain caused to you by your bete noir.
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:D Pain? Your deluded nonsense may comfort you, but the way he had his paper demolished [with my help ;)] and his total garbage re BH cosmology in general and other aspects, that perfectly aligned with your own, made me sympathetic to his personal troubles culminating in total failure of his first paper and rejection of the follow up.
He to, like you, lived in a make believe world, with an inflated ego problem and delusions of grandeur. Sad. :(
 
The God said:
As far as I know, only stupid and people lacking in analytical ability will oppose me ? No reasonable and sensible person will oppose my ideas. Problem with you is that unfortunately few of your brains faculties did not develop, one of them is ability to think out of box.....many people are here like you.
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Yes yes my boy, the whole world is wrong except you....
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paddoboy said:
Yes yes my boy, the whole world is wrong except you....
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Why fetch the whole world, Barryboy ?

You lost the steam? This is the problem with you, you lack the ability to hold on to the argument and you invoke others...most of the people, if at all they support you, they support for the efforts you put in despite being an illiterate. This has gone into your head and you have misunderstood their support. See your boss Brucep, how he handles you with soft gloves.....my boy paddoboy...generally underdogs and compromised are supported with sympathy, you are the one, let that be clear to you. For me you are a child below 25, learning but with compromised abilities. Keep it up. Its long way before any one treats you as peer. You have none here.
 
The God said:
Why fetch the whole world, Barryboy ?

You lost the steam? This is the problem with you, you lack the ability to hold on to the argument and you invoke others...most of the people, if at all they support you, they support for the efforts you put in despite being an illiterate. This has gone into your head and you have misunderstood their support. See your boss Brucep, how he handles you with soft gloves.....my boy paddoboy...generally underdogs and compromised are supported with sympathy, you are the one, let that be clear to you. For me you are a child below 25, learning but with compromised abilities. Keep it up. Its long way before any one treats you as peer. You have none here.
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If that gives you some comfort, after your demolished papers, you go ahead and tell yourself that's the case. Your peers here will make that judgment my boy, and I believe that was made a long time ago.:rolleyes:

ps; For the sake of some credibility though I would suggest you add some science in your posts, and show us what you are made of.
So far all anyone has seen are claims against mainstream which are totally unsupported and smell of sour grapes.
 
The God said:
Look who is talking ? I have told you many a times to focus on contents, but you love adhoms only.
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Most of my post are science content. Your's on the other hand are just a vengeful attempt to derail due to your past unpleasent experiences with me, which afterall are your own fault.
As long as you put crank science as fact, as long as you claim pseudoscience as fact, my duty is to refute that to the best of my ability. And that job is becoming much easier, as I get more professional reputable references to support what I claim.
Such pseudoscience nonsense and crank anti mainstream stuff, points to your past failures in the education field and your total lack of credentials and expertise.
My two tutorials were meant to assist people like you.
 
paddoboy said:
As long as you put crank science as fact, as long as you claim pseudoscience as fact, my duty is to refute that to the best of my ability. And that job is becoming much easier, as I get more professional reputable references to support what I claim.
Such pseudoscience nonsense and crank anti mainstream stuff, points to your past failures in the education field and your total lack of credentials and expertise.
My two tutorials were meant to assist people like you.
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You are spreading false information..
Which claim of mine is Pseudoscience, please link ?
....And please do not link back to your old pal..
 
KilljoyKlown said:
Yes but negligible doesn't mean unaffected, just over shadowed by the other 3 forces which are much stronger at the atomic level. But even gravity at black hole levels compresses regular matter beyond what the other atomic forces can resist.
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What are the other 'atomic forces' you are referring to which resist the Gravitational Compression in BH? Are you talking about Electron-Electron repulsion in compressed matter or/and something else?
 
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