God's commandment?

stefan

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the Ten commandments?


1,Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them:


It is apparent the nazarene is claiming he is "god." So where does that leave Jehova?
Matthew 4
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

(Here he is obviously referring to himself)

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Now there are three gods?

John 1
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

So is he alluding to the law given by Moses is a lie?

Colossians 2
5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him

Titus 2
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Now "Jesus" is god?

Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

[color-blue]2, Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.[/color]

So what is this entity's name? Jehova? Yaweh? Both JHVH and YHVH mean I am that I am. Which one? Shibboleh? This makes about as much sense as he does.

3, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Luke 6: 1-5
1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

4, Honour thy Father and thy Mother:

Matthew 10: 37
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Luke 9: 59-62
59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Matthew 10: 34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father and the daughter against her mother and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

5,Thou shalt not kill.

God commits murder:

Exodus 23:27
I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee.

God orders the murder of thousands:

Exodus 32:27-28
And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

God orders his people to commit more murder:

Leviticus 26:7-8
And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.

It is more than obvious, the "lord" thinks nothing of murder or ordering others to commit murder:

Numbers 1:51
And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.

Murder is so important to God, he has to repeat himself:

Numbers 3:10 And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest's office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.

More murder- The people were hungry and without food:

Numbers 11:1 And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
11:2 And the people cried unto Moses; and when Moses prayed unto the LORD, the fire was quenched. More mass murder at the hands of the "lord:"
Numbers 21:3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah. Now, we have cannibalism under the direction of jehova:
Numbers 23-24: Behold, the people shall rise up as a great lion, and lift up himself as a young lion: he shall not lie down until he eat of the prey, and drink the blood of the slain.

God orders more mass murder:

Numbers 25:16
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 25:17 Vex the Midianites, and smite them:
Numbers 31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
31:8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
31:9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

God commits more mass murder:

Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
2:21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
2:22 As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day:
2:23 And the Avims which dwelt in Hazerim, even unto Azzah, the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.)
2:30 But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.
2:31 And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land.
2:32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz.
2:33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:
2:35 Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.
2:36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us:
2:37 Only unto the land of the children of Ammon thou camest not, nor unto any place of the river Jabbok, nor unto the cities in the mountains, nor unto whatsoever the LORD our God forbad us.
Numbers 31
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

The mass murders committed by and directed by Jehova fills much of the Old Testament. The above scriptures are only a small sample. Including all of them here would take pages and pages.

Like father, like son- quotes from the nazarene:

Luke 19: 27
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Matthew 10: 34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

6, Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Exodus 22
16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
2 Samuel 12
11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

Luke 8:
3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

7, Thou shalt not steal.

God orders his Hebrews to steal from the Egyptians:

Exodus 3
21 And I will give this people favour in the sight of the Egyptians: and it shall come to pass, that, when ye go, ye shall not go empty.
22 But every woman shall borrow of her neighbour, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment: and ye shall put them upon your sons, and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the Egyptians.

God steals land from the Canaanites:

Leviticus 14
34 When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;

Murder and stealing under orders from God:

Numbers 31:
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. 3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.

Like father, like son:

Luke 19: 29-35
29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.

Luke 6: 1-5
1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands.
2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungred, and they which were with him;
4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

8, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

There are hundreds of verses that prove Jehova is a prolific liar. He and his nazarene, prophets and followers all bear false witness against Satan.

Some of God's Lies:

Genesis 2
16 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Adam lived another 930 years:

Genesis 5
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

God promised a homeland for the jews:

Exodus 3
8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.

The Old Testament is replete with stories of the Hebrews for generations on end, trying to secure a homeland. This entire scenario appears to be Jehova's excuse for murder and bloodshed to be used for psychic energy. Only in 1948 was the state of Israel finally a reality and most of the world's jews still remain without a homeland. Somebody is a day late and a dollar short.

9/10, Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

The numerous verses, many are listed above, show how God has no respect for human beings or their property. He coveted the land of the Canaanites, demanded relentlessly, the blood sacrifices of human beings and animals and continuously looted from others.

Luke 8:
3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Luke 19: 29-35
29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,
30 Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.
31 And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.
32 And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.
33 And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?
34 And they said, The Lord hath need of him.
35 And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.

the God and his bible are morally corrupt.
 
rather, he has misunderstood that there is a difference between christianity and judaism.

the poster and his ramblings are corrupt.
how does that feel?
 
c7ityi -

You have misunderstood the entire Bible.
The bible is not something to be understood but rather it offers opportunities for imaginative interpretations that have no anchor in real life. In this respect stefan's interpretation is no less valid than any other.

Kat
 
It is not God that is corrupt... it is only men who are.

all evil.. all wrongness.. all stupidity is derived from men.. and women.

Do not blame God for any flaw in a book written by men.

Think what you want about the bible... or any other book..

they are just books...

But God, the creator of all, is, in relation to mankind... without flaw, comparitively..

if you have an ant farm... and you drop it.. and kill most of your ants..

are you evil? are you flawed...? no.. your just clumsy.

and if we are all Gods property, then in fact, he can do whatever he wants, and it will never be wrong... it may seem wrong.. but as ants.. we cannot precieve the intentions of our God...
For god may spill the earth.. and kill 90% of all life... and we may say its a terrible thing...

but millions of years later.. we look back and we thank God for all the mass extinctions which allowed mankind to evolve in the first place.

No.. blame belong with the men.. those men who do evil, and who have written scripture... and there is where the blame ends.

-MT
 
There are hundreds of verses that prove Jehova is a prolific liar. He and his nazarene, prophets and followers all bear false witness against Satan.

This sentance clearly shows who you serve. Your false acusations against The God of Abraham will only ensure your eternal destination is the same as satans.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
Adstar said:
This sentance clearly shows who you serve. Your false acusations against The God of Abraham will only ensure your eternal destination is the same as satans.

You don't need to say your opinions. God knows what he does with every person. He knows it better than you.
 
what a bunch of morons, arguing amongst yourselves.
who needs atheist, ah.

incidently adstar yorda and devil atheist have no fear of a god or a devil, there non existent.
 
Morality is objective and the circumstances matter. All of these examples you have taken out of the context. It is like saying Luke was evil for destroying the Death Star, and all those people in it.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Perspective and circumstance matter to define morality. God was personally responsible for sending rain for 40 days and 40 nights and drowning the whole Earth's population, but one family. Tell me how that is moral? It was moral. And still, God was remorseful that it had to be done. Christian morality is defined as anything which is commanded by God. Truly commanded by God.

There was a time when God had commanded that the Isrealites be punished and sent war into Isreal, then he punished those who he commanded to kill Isrealites because they did not truly follow God's commands and killed for alterior motives.
 
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I did not know god had any commandments
except those mankind needs for its religions
to rule the world regardless of what the hell he, god,
thinks, wants, needs and does.
 
The Devil Inside said:
i agree. you have no right to condemn other folks, adstar. you cannot speak for G-d, so dont try.

at least i wouldnt, anyhow.

It was a warning.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
People in the bible commit sins, just like you and I do.

The old testament talks about how you shouldn't eat certain foods, but in the new testament it says that everythings good to eat. I never understood that, but I just don't eat meat anyway. Not for religious reasons, just because.
The new testament is different from the old testament, I guess.
 
stefan said:
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Now there are three gods?

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Now "Jesus" is god?

Have you not heard of the Holy Trinity? Okay, well the Trinity is the supreme divine being, it's the Father, Son, and Holy ghost together united as one. They are part of one body.
So Jesus is the Lord pretty much.
 
Mosheh

Do not blame God for any flaw in a book written by men.

Think what you want about the bible... or any other book..

they are just books...


Considering that the bible is supposed to be the word of god, which you claim is merely a book written by men, a most correct assumption btw, how is it possible for you to still believe in a god if no reference to him is available aside from the bible?
 
hugatree

The old testament talks about how you shouldn't eat certain foods, but in the new testament it says that everythings good to eat. I never understood that

Could it be that mere men wrote the bible and then decided to change their minds?
 
no, I don't think so. I mean that could be true, but I don't think that's it. The Bible is supposed to be the complete truth, but I don't get it. Maybe they messed up the translation? I was in sunday school for sometime and I asked my teacher why the Bible contradicts itself. She gave me an answer...It still wasn't all that clear too me.
She said, of course that the Bible doesn't contradict itself, that we're not sure of how to translate it.
She said that those foods made you sicker easier (like when there not cleansed properly, kept cool...etc..), and that later on they became more aware of that so they were able to eat them. It doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible though. That was just her guess. I guess no-one knows.
 
no, I don't think so. I mean that could be true, but I don't think that's it. The Bible is supposed to be the complete truth, but I don't get it.

Yes, the bible is 'supposed' to be gods word, that is what theists would like you to believe. I'm not telling you to believe otherwise, but you should, for your own benefit, think about alternatives.

She said, of course that the Bible doesn't contradict itself, that we're not sure of how to translate it.

If the word of god cannot be translated correctly, what good is it? If the tranlations are wrong, then you are following false doctrine.

It would make more sense that the bible was written by men who knew nothing of the world and were probably deluded themselves. The stories they wrote were on par with other works of fiction like Aesop and Grimms.
 
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