Gender Nullification Now

[Communist Hamster]

And this is why extreme capitalism (destroying the concept of gender, in this case) is just as bad as extreme communism (which I suppose would lead to gender nullification to make the single social class).

So, nanonetics, we here challenge gender nullification. How does that fit in with your claims?

 

[Nasor]

Incredibly controversial claims take place all the time with no empirical challenge required, even to act on such claims.

This is a science forum. You need empirical support for your assertions, otherwise it’s not science. That’s why we have separate terms for “science” and “baseless dumb-ass assertions”. It also relates to why science gives repeatable, testable results while baseless dumb-ass assertions often don’t. Do you have any evidence? If not, what are you doing in a science forum?

Since people do not challenge "authority" for irrefutable proof before committing to drastic action - Iraq and WMD for example, why would gender nullification and its current public support systems ever be challenged?

Yeah, you'll notice how no one is discussing Iraq/WMD in the biology forum either.

 

[Nanonetics]

And this is why extreme capitalism (destroying the concept of gender, in this case) is just as bad as extreme communism (which I suppose would lead to gender nullification to make the single social class).

So, nanonetics, we here challenge gender nullification. How does that fit in with your claims?

Communist Hamster would have us believe that because a majority of people disagree on a policy, such a policy does not therefore come into effect.

 

[Nanonetics]

This is a science forum. You need empirical support for your assertions, otherwise it’s not science. That’s why we have separate terms for “science” and “baseless dumb-ass assertions”. It also relates to why science gives repeatable, testable results while baseless dumb-ass assertions often don’t. Do you have any evidence? If not, what are you doing in a science forum?

This is a strawman and an ad hominem. Worse, you have missed the point. Communist Hamster and others seem to understand what's going on.

 

[Nanonetics]

And this is why extreme capitalism (destroying the concept of gender, in this case) is just as bad as extreme communism (which I suppose would lead to gender nullification to make the single social class)

Global capitalism and communism are both unnatural extremist ideologies that result in widespread destruction of life.

 

[Communist Hamster]

Global capitalism and communism are both unnatural extremist ideologies that result in widespread destruction of life.

Yes, that is exactly what I said.

Communist Hamster would have us believe that because a majority of people disagree on a policy, such a policy does not therefore come into effect.

What? So we should all just sit back and let all our gender be nullified? Even though the majority disagrees, and wants to keep their gender?

 

[Nanonetics]

Yes, that is exactly what I said.
What? So we should all just sit back and let all our gender be nullified? Even though the majority disagrees, and wants to keep their gender?

The most extreme changes take place regardless of disagreement, even when such changes result in gross unnaturalness, lasting social upheaval, more people impoverished, system inefficiency, reversal of progress, international warfare and so on. Why is this? Would a prehistoric man choose to wait in an unemployment line while his belly goes hungry, his mind drifts toward boredom, his lips thirst and his loins call for companionship? The prehistoric man may think that the people in such a line are hopelessly deranged and go about seeking his own survival needs, yet we may see this line of people as normal, but grossly inefficient and wasteful activity. Populations come to accept new forms of insanity as normal behaviour.

 

[Communist Hamster]

Do you have prooof that gender inequality causes wars, inefficiency and poverty?

 

[Tnerb]

I agree entirely with communist hamster. I believe he is right and not wrong. That was my point to begin with --- hell.

What my point, and I do believe as well the hamsters, is that the people wouldn't agree with it. Simple as that. Who is in control: the government? The world?

 

[Tnerb]

nano, you are political scum

 

[Tnerb]

Common.... take things a bit easier from now on... do your re search with other men, and talk with them-- too!

 

[Odin2006]

The OP smells like Blank-Slate crap. There are definite diferences between male and female brains.

 

[Nasor]

This is a strawman and an ad hominem.

No, a "straw man" refers to the practice of attacking a weaker/different version of a person's argument rather than their actual argument. I merely asked you to provide evidence to back up your claim that "differences in abilities and aptitude between the sexes is a social construct", then mocked you when you were unable to do so.

Also, an ad hominem is only a logical fallacy when you use it as the basis of an argument. For example, saying "Nanonetic's assertion is probably wrong because he is an idiot" would be an example of the ad hominem fallacy. Saying "Nanonetic's assertion is probably wrong because he has refused to provide a single shred of evidence to back it up, therefore he is an idiot" would not be a logical fallacy.

 

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Race is a social construct, but gender difference is not.

I think that both have their social construct fake claims, and a biological reality.

Gender difference, however, is most prominent since every man, of any race, differs from every woman from the same race roughly by an entire chromosome (but more precisely by what comes developmentally from that), and is more similar to any other male of any other race. While people of different races have a minor diference, both in genetic differences and what comes from that difference on the development.

Anyway, in any case, is simplistic to observe some differences in achievement and behavior and simple credit it to some biological factor, simply because there are in fact biological differences. They may be falsely correlated, such as "most of long haired people are of smaller stature than short haired people", it is a statement that, despite of being true, is not valid to infer a direct causal relation between the things.

 

[weebee]

Gender difference, however, is most prominent since every man, of any race, differs from every woman from the same race roughly by an entire chromosome (but more precisely by what comes developmentally from that), and is more similar to any other male of any other race. While people of different races have a minor diference, both in genetic differences and what comes from that difference on the development.

How do you decide two chromosomes are different or two genes for that matter? -actually its a lot more complex than that. The Y and X can be viewed as different or the same (the Y just being a badly kept version of the health X) and then you’ve got imprinting, inactivation, homological genes etc.

The problem is that if you create groups of kinds then the differences within the groups should be smaller than the differences between groups (or something like that). With women and men its not. i.e. a woman in the UK could be pretty similar to a women in the US, but quite a lot different from a woman in Nepal. (Course problems with how you define women and difference).

Biology is all about gradients and fluidity. Its not static difference. Measuring things such as hormone levels and brain scans gives the illusion than there is a fixed difference. And you have to figure out what a difference of .003 means (setting standards etc). There is also the huge problem that at the beginning there’s very little difference between a female and male embryo, a little more at birth but by year one there’s a much bigger difference. A gendered human develops because of both biology and social input. Should the social input be changed? -yes if you believe that heterosexuality is boring and destructive (as I do)

A good starting point is Sexing the body
http://bms.brown.edu/faculty/f/afs/afs.html