Gahddafi's Son Saif Captured. What's next?

Captain Kremmen

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Worst Disguise Ever

You should have at least taken off the $1000 glasses, Saif.
And wearing a Camel keeper's dish-dash made from finest Cashmere?
What were you thinking of?

But what happens next?
They haven't killed him.
Can they afford to let him talk?
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...andelson-Prince-Andrew.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Will Saif have his Jack Ruby?
Will they dare to let him speak, or will something "unfortunate" happen?
 
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Good God, is nothing that happens in Africa of importance on this site?

I don't mean you CB, that was very entertaining.
I liked that bit where the wimpy guy tried to ventriloquise "let him go."
Heh Heh!:)

Hells Angels are modern day Pirates, aren't they?
 
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Sort of looks like that spiritual leader from Romancing the Stone played by Avner Eisenberg.


...Good God, I hope he wasn't actually going for that look. Ouch.
 
Or maybe he was going for this Look:

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Peter O'Toole as Lawrence of Arabia
Now there's a man that never slept with his camel.

Libyans, you can't hang Saif, he's just an idiot.
It wouldn't be fair.

I hope not. I find these "trials" disgusting,
with the judges no better, or worse than the accused.
My prediction is that a huge amount of money, Billions, will change hands,
and Saif will end up in Saudi or somewhere similar.

Saudi is ideal.
The whole country is an open prison.
 
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Nothing will happen, the rebels will make him stand trial. This is the same guy in the Swiss affair right? No it was Hannibal
 
Well, they'll have to try him with a gag on.
The US, Britain, and France were doing secret deals with Libya, which they won't want revealed in a public trial.
For example the freeing of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi from prison on compassionate grounds. Just as BP were securing an oil deal, with the very oily Tony Blair continually hovering in the background.
Just stick a rig on that man and we'd have no need for the Middle East at all.


If there is a trial, and Saif is allowed to speak, he will have a lot to say.
 
Would it be a good thing to try the leader of of one of the biggest tribes and kill him? How is that going to stabilise things.

Would it not be better to try to get him to agree on a Democratic system, and take part in running the country?
Give him a fancy title, and a good supply of drink and women.
Perhaps there is even a brain in there somewhere.

Or just deport him? Saudi has always fulfilled that role best.

The West's meddling has not resulted in Civil War so far,
but his death will bring it closer.

Now I've got to wait for SAM to be unbanned.
She's the only one willing to talk about Libya.
 
The Death Sentence.
Is the Vengeance of the Strong over the Weak.
The Rich over the Poor.
The Oppressor over the Oppressed.

All civilised countries have abandoned it.
 
It will be very convenient if Saif is tried in secret.
Waterboarding is probably being used right now to get those all important Billion dollar bank account details.

British Labor MP Jeremy Corbyn told RT he believes the ICC’s willingness to allow Saif Gaddafi to be tried at home all but guarantees that any inconvenient truths he carries will be buried forever:
“Libya insists it is capable of giving Saif Gaddafi a fair trial despite its judicial system not being independent for over 40 years,” says the MP. “It is still unclear whether he will be tried at all. Rival ruling factions are fighting over who gets to exact revenge. With the death penalty likely, it seems Saif Gaddafi and his secrets will be silenced.”
His future might indeed be bleak in the hands of Libya’s new rulers. Libyan officials are already calling for the death penalty in what many fear is a tactic to keep those dirty secrets hidden forever.
Political analyst William Engdahl told RT believes matters have been arranged so that “the information about the relationships that Gaddafi and the CIA [had] over decades will not come out.”
He believes Western powers are notoriously dedicated to protecting their secrets. “Look at what happened to the trial of Milosevic,” he said.


http://rt.com/news/saif-islam-death-penalty-097/

So we can add to the list below.....

The Vengeance of those with evil secrets over those who know about them.
 
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I'm not convinced that Saif is all that important or relevant. What did he do that makes him significant in your opinion? I think like Saddam he will be prosecuted for his crimes against his own people. Libyans are not interested in what Americans did in Libya

What interests me about Libya is why a group affiliated to "al Qaeda in Mesopotamia" established a central bank in the midst of their revolution

Another provocative bit of data circulating on the Net is a 2007 "Democracy Now" interview of US General Wesley Clark (Ret). In it he says that about 10 days after September 11, 2001, he was told by a general that the decision had been made to go to war with Iraq. Clark was surprised and asked why. "I don't know!" was the response. "I guess they don't know what else to do!" Later, the same general said they planned to take out seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

What do these seven countries have in common? In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). That evidently puts them outside the long regulatory arm of the central bankers' central bank in Switzerland.

The most renegade of the lot could be Libya and Iraq, the two that have actually been attacked. Kenneth Schortgen Jr, writing on Examiner.com, noted that "ix months before the US moved into Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein, the oil nation had made the move to accept euros instead of dollars for oil, and this became a threat to the global dominance of the dollar as the reserve currency, and its dominion as the petrodollar."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html


and who's next
 
Accepting Euros. A grievous crime.
Punishable by mass slaughter.
If the US was not the World currency, its Pecunia Franca,
it would lose its ability to print money at will without fear of rampant inflation.

Who is next?
So many tempting cherries to choose from.
Who do you think is next?
 
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I think many people would like Iran to be next [oil PLUS natural gas]. The difficulty is in engineering it. Another 9/11? Another Iranian revolution? Hmm...the Russians have brought their warships into the Gulf, ostensibly to protect Syria from a Libya like bombing. The Chinese have been floating their warships off Libya. What do you think? Is WW3 worth it?
 
It's a good job America still has countries to fear, or their jackboot would be treading on us all.
 
It's a good job America still has countries to fear, or their jackboot would be treading on us all.

The diplomatic thing is to turn American adventurism to your advantage.

The Saudis currently provide China with 20% of its crude oil imports -- and Saudi leaders have assured Beijing they will furnish all the crude China will need over the coming decades.

China has also offered to sell the Saudis intercontinental ballistic missiles. But in deference to Washington, the Saudis have so far turned down such proposals. Meanwhile, business is booming: China's annual trade with Saudi Arabia totals $60 billion, the Saudis selling not just petroleum but chemicals for China's surging manufacturing sector.

The Saudi's new found ties with China, also enable Riyadh to pay less heed to annoying calls out of Washington for democratic reforms -- an issue that never bothers the Chinese.

Iraq's relations with China represent another bitter paradox: You'd think that America's huge sacrifice of treasure and blood in Iraq would have brought the U.S. some benefit -- the inside track, for instance on the development of Iraq's massive petroleum reserves. That's what Dick Cheney and his friends were supposedly after. But in Iraq, as in Iran, the Chinese have been willing to take risks few American firms were willing or able to take.

As a result, China winds up as one of the largest oil beneficiaries of the Iraq War.
In fact, the first major deal for oil exploration signed by the new Iraqi government with foreigners was with a couple of Chinese companies: a 23 year agreement for $3 billion in 2008 to pump oil from the Al Adhab field. In 2009 PetroChina teamed up with Britain's BP to win a 20 year contract to boost output from Iraq's largest oil field, Rumaila -- the only contract awarded in Iraq's first post Saddam auction of oil licenses.

Earlier this year, Iraq President Maliki journeyed to China hoping to convince more Chinese companies to invest in Iraq -- in everything from energy, oil, transport, housing, telecommunication and agriculture. He even welcomed Chinese military aid.

With China's commercial successes in mind, it might be instructive to compare the size of China's Embassy in Baghdad with the sprawling American compound, the largest U.S. Embassy in the world, staffed by 16,000 employees, protected in turn by an army of 5,000 "independent contractors."

Beijing however, would probably favor a continued U.S. combat presence in Iraq. Many of the Chinese companies now operating there are afraid to expand further because of the on-going danger of terrorist attacks.

Not that the Chinese are uninterested in strategic facilities of their own.

China has contributed $200 million to construct a deep-sea port in the Baluchistan Province of Pakistan, only 250 miles from the key Strait of Hormuz. Nearby is the port of Salalah in Oman, where Chinese navy escort force now dock to resupply; not to mention the Chinese warships that have docked in Abu Dhabi.

But there's no way the Chinese military presence will ever challenge the U.S. in the Gulf. Nor is there any evidence they want to. The hulking American bases have their own obvious downside: Remember, it was the huge inflow of American "infidel" troops into Saudi Arabia in 1990 following Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, that provoked Osama Bin Laden's outrage and provided him with thousands of similarly inflamed recruits.

Concern about continued opposition to U.S. troops in Saudi lay behind the decision to move the American centre of operations to nearby Qatar. As a result, since the drawdown in Iraq, the vast new air base of Al Udeid in Qatar has become a lynchpin for the U.S. buildup in the Gulf.
But Qatar also boasts the third-largest reserves of gas in the world, and the Chinese are thus very present.

In May 2010, CNPC (the China National Petroleum Corporation) signed a 30-year deal for gas exploration and production in Qatar. That was just for starters. CNPC, Shell and Qatar have also put together a joint venture to build a 10 billion dollar petrochemical complex in Eastern China.

Nearby Abu Dhabi also has huge oil reserves, and in 2009 a Chinese firm for the first time won a service contract to supply oil rigs for onshore drilling. The deal came after a visit to China by Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi. The goal: to foster strategic co-operation with Beijing. The Crown Prince was also Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces.

Oil-rich Kuwait, of course, was the country that the U.S. went to war to "save" in 1991 after Saddam's troops invaded. In 2009, a Chinese state-controlled oil company, Sinopec, won a $350m contract to supply drilling rigs to the Kuwait Oil Company after Kuwait promised to export 500,000 barrels per day of oil to China by 2015. Kuwait Oil and Sinopec have also agreed to build a $9 billion oil refinery in China.

But it's not just oil. Trade between China and the Gulf is a two-way affair. In 2009, the same year that China became the largest importer of oil from the Gulf, it also passed the United as the largest single importer to the region.

Remarkably, there are now more Middle Eastern visitors to Yiwu, a city in China that houses tens of thousands of retailers, than there are to the entire United States. Cross-border investment from the Middle East in Chinese financial institutions also represents a new mode of exchange. By 2020 annual trade between China and the Gulf will top $350 billion.

And perhaps that's how things will continue to go: a strange symbiosis: American bases and Chinese markets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-lando/china-and-the-gulf-a-less_b_1107830.html

And of course, its the Chinese who fund American wars as well.
 
The Chinese are an emerging threat because while America was spending Trillions making the Middle East into a combat zone, the Chinese were quietly investing Trillions in Africa, securing mineral resources.


I missed this earlier in the year, but America is now engaged in an Information War.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBsALgjLK0U


US Propaganda is losing out to un-American channels like Al Jazeera which has the effrontery to report what is happening, instead of composing reports from American news feeds.
They also use sneaky tactics like asking a variety of people what they think, and put themselves in danger on the ground to get fresh news instead of Embedding themselves.
No wonder Bush wanted to bomb their headquarters!

It is an indication of the degree to which Journalism as an art and a vocation have been subverted, that Hilary Clinton should wish for a return to Cold War propaganda, instead of honestly trying to compete with the likes of Al Jazeera. These companies can only go into places where Fox and their kin fear to tread because they are not propagandists.

Stupid Woman. Don't you realise that you have no monopoly over communication any more?

Observation.
The number of times the word war is used in the above video.
It's almost as though Americans thought war was a good thing.
 
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Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the son of the former Libyan dictator, could be put on trial in as little as two months, the justice minister has told The Daily Telegraph.

see http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...dafi-could-be-put-on-trial-in-two-months.html


As little as two months. Breathtaking speed. Not.

Open Letter to Mohammed Alagy, Libyan Justice Minister:
Minister Alagy. Don't you think it would be better to have him in your control before talking of trying him?
The way things are going, his head removal will be on youtube before long, and SAM will be insisting we all watch it.

Though he may die of natural causes before anything worth buying popcorn for happens.
His injured hand has become gangrenous.
 
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