I'd ask what your problem is, KalvinB, but I can figure that as well as the next
KalvinB
As you reminded us a few posts back (3/2) you aren't put to death for being a heathen, you're put to death for messing with God. Okay, KalvinB, accepting even the duck-horse separation between "defending God": by killing a heathen and "not defending God" by reporting a witch and having them slain by the religious authority, you still need to explain why murder is appropriate or authorized that goes beyond religious bigotry.
Your angry, bigoted, stupid post today shows a few of your true, Christian colors:
* The question is basically are Holy Wars (as in with real swords)fundamental to Islam. When you point out "swords" you have failed. That simple parenthetic note shows that you have not yet paid attention to word one coming from your Muslim sources regarding the nature of jihad. If you wish to steep yourself in racism, fine. But your hateful need to show people you have marked as unlike you to be evil and wrong flies in the face of practical evidence. For instance, I recall you called me a jackass a couple of days ago when I called you out on your general assignation of bin Laden to the "they" of Islam versus the "we" (e.g. you) of Christianity and the "we" of the US. This was in the Quote of the Year thread. I even asked you why you lumped the rest of Islam in with bin Laden which question you ignored as pathetic dribble and lamented that nobody was paying attention. Here you are again applying your hateful generalizations to Islam. You have only demonstrated an inability to transcend the narrowness of the Christian mind. If you were retarded, this would be acceptable, but insofar as Christians explain it, they choose to be that way. Really, KalvinB, if I was possessed of a sudden illness and ended up shitting on your carpet, that would be one thing, but if I chose to just take a dump in the corner for no better reason than I felt like it ... well, then I'm on a metaphorical par with your rhetorical approach. At this point, as far as your soul is concerned, I'm actually rooting for the idea that you're retarded. Stupid is obvious, but whether that's a consequence of nature or a desired result is yet unknown. In other words, KalvinB, You might have gotten away with your Holy War point owing to notions of stupid word games which you introduced to the topic; however, by limiting yourself with your declaration of swords, you have established that you do not understand the holy war implications of jihad and reinforce the notion that you never actually cared to understand. How quickly you got up on your soapbox and started spitting on everyone is quite amazing.
Education is what helps people transcend warfare as a means of dispute. When people realize they can beg, plead, negotiate, and con what they want out of others instead of risking their life for it, yeah, society takes a step forward. Perhaps it's time to remind you that the international community is trying to find a way to call prolonged hunger a form of violence. Why? Because the Americans don't send their troops in to hurt you, they send their corporations to steal from you and to starve you. We're unwilling to actually raise the human spirit with our actions; we would rather raise our bank balance. And so the world is noting the prolonged violence against people our policies endow. Just as some religious people fail to understand that murder is wrong, so do we fail to understand the same. Why? Because we draw a petty distinction very similar to the one you note. They're not actually shooting anyone, so how are they killing them?
Hunger, Ben. Hunger. And such are the rewards of the stupid and mean distinctions you draw in your effort to elevate your own over your chosen enemy.
In the end, though, you point out what this whole thing seems to be about: You want to prove your God is stronger.
thanx for that, at least,
Tiassa
KalvinB
So if I have you correctily, a Muslim has not established the authority to commit arbitrary murder while Christianity has?
It's not that I'm deaf, KalvinB, but that you're spitefully and woefully misdirected here. As you show with this current complaint, you have yet to comprehend the fact that you're talking about murdering people because of religious differences. What, am I supposed to kiss your Christian ass since you'll just have someone else kill me instead of doing your dirty work yourself? Proving one's authority to murder another? That's fucking twisted, KalvinB. I see the problem here: You're talking about murder. What is it with Christians and murder? I cannot believe you're that stupid, KalvinB, despite the writing on the wall. By what authority (proven or otherwise) can Christians murder people for authority?
As you reminded us a few posts back (3/2) you aren't put to death for being a heathen, you're put to death for messing with God. Okay, KalvinB, accepting even the duck-horse separation between "defending God": by killing a heathen and "not defending God" by reporting a witch and having them slain by the religious authority, you still need to explain why murder is appropriate or authorized that goes beyond religious bigotry.
Like this old part: who says witchcraft is a crime? It's on par with devil worship? Well, for all of us who aren't so subjectively and superstitiously possessed by our notions of God, please explain on what scale witchcraft relates to, say, murder, or having sex with your chidren.
Your angry, bigoted, stupid post today shows a few of your true, Christian colors:
* The question is basically are Holy Wars (as in with real swords)fundamental to Islam. When you point out "swords" you have failed. That simple parenthetic note shows that you have not yet paid attention to word one coming from your Muslim sources regarding the nature of jihad. If you wish to steep yourself in racism, fine. But your hateful need to show people you have marked as unlike you to be evil and wrong flies in the face of practical evidence. For instance, I recall you called me a jackass a couple of days ago when I called you out on your general assignation of bin Laden to the "they" of Islam versus the "we" (e.g. you) of Christianity and the "we" of the US. This was in the Quote of the Year thread. I even asked you why you lumped the rest of Islam in with bin Laden which question you ignored as pathetic dribble and lamented that nobody was paying attention. Here you are again applying your hateful generalizations to Islam. You have only demonstrated an inability to transcend the narrowness of the Christian mind. If you were retarded, this would be acceptable, but insofar as Christians explain it, they choose to be that way. Really, KalvinB, if I was possessed of a sudden illness and ended up shitting on your carpet, that would be one thing, but if I chose to just take a dump in the corner for no better reason than I felt like it ... well, then I'm on a metaphorical par with your rhetorical approach. At this point, as far as your soul is concerned, I'm actually rooting for the idea that you're retarded. Stupid is obvious, but whether that's a consequence of nature or a desired result is yet unknown. In other words, KalvinB, You might have gotten away with your Holy War point owing to notions of stupid word games which you introduced to the topic; however, by limiting yourself with your declaration of swords, you have established that you do not understand the holy war implications of jihad and reinforce the notion that you never actually cared to understand. How quickly you got up on your soapbox and started spitting on everyone is quite amazing.
Have you gone to a mosque yet, and asked a Muslim? Welcome to it, KalvinB. You're now living up to what you complain about. You tend to imagine people treating you and other Christians here just as you're behaving toward Islam. Is there a single part of your conduct which has even an iota of integrity about it?
This has been covered: A) As with Christianity, Islam will eventually transcend certain violent superstitions; money became more important than God for Christians; the same will happen to Islam; B) Maybe if you don't want people fighting, you shouldn't slap them; C) If you want me to stop covering so many points per each of your errors, you ought to be more specific with them. As it is, I don't know if you're talking about two Muslims or a Jew and a Muslim or a Christian and a Muslim, or whatnot. In the end, though, between A and B, it's pretty much covered.
I didn't realize George W Bush was Muslim. After all, he's made the present Afghani situation into a holy war. He could have just laughed when bin Laden invoked God; instead he went before the world and announced that No, God is on our side. The proof of God has often been victory in warfare; the Jews carried the Ark of the Covenant into battle and let God do their fighting for them. There we raise an interesting question about the Commandments; instruction book or secret weapon?
Education is what helps people transcend warfare as a means of dispute. When people realize they can beg, plead, negotiate, and con what they want out of others instead of risking their life for it, yeah, society takes a step forward. Perhaps it's time to remind you that the international community is trying to find a way to call prolonged hunger a form of violence. Why? Because the Americans don't send their troops in to hurt you, they send their corporations to steal from you and to starve you. We're unwilling to actually raise the human spirit with our actions; we would rather raise our bank balance. And so the world is noting the prolonged violence against people our policies endow. Just as some religious people fail to understand that murder is wrong, so do we fail to understand the same. Why? Because we draw a petty distinction very similar to the one you note. They're not actually shooting anyone, so how are they killing them?
Hunger, Ben. Hunger. And such are the rewards of the stupid and mean distinctions you draw in your effort to elevate your own over your chosen enemy.
In the end, though, you point out what this whole thing seems to be about: You want to prove your God is stronger.
thanx for that, at least,
Tiassa