For the alternative theorists:

[Undefined]

Cause what you said is the complete opposite to the truth?

Ironic and hypocritical, coming from you, Beer w/Straw. LOL

Remember your actions in the 'foum mafia' started/manipulated by Dave/fivedougnut/Lady Elizabeth etc over at physforum? He had all you crooked troll-mods playing his tune, and you didn't even suspect he was doing it! I tried to warn rpenner and the rest of you that he was a crazy loon commercial spammer/phisher using you and the site for his nefarious and fun purposes. He is still boasting over there about how his 'sockpuppet army' is inexhautible because his commercial computer spamming/hacking set-up affords him innumerable new sockpuppets potential. Now he is taunting rpenner by logging in a new sockpuppet as soon as rpenner bans one. Talk about sowing what you reap! He was 'useful' to you troll-mod gangmembers, but now he is not 'your convenience' anymore as a 'protected troll', and he is crazy as I warned you he was. Poetic justice that his 'protectors' are now still reaping the damage from what they 'protected' while abusing mod power/position!

You are ridiculous now, Beer w/Straw, trying to still pretend it's me not you who was/is "lying" about it all. Silly. LOL.

 

[Uncle Ira]

@ P.S. for you Really-Undefined-Skippy.

One more other thing come to mind if you would be so nice to answer to me. While you explain the energy-space thing to me, don't forgot to also put in there about how you measure this stuff, okayeei? I'm mean is it the voltmeter-ruler you use or something like that we never did see before? Or is it with something I can find down at the Radio-Shed? Merci and you do better mate-Skippy again.

 

[origin]

You're supposed to be a mod, for pity's sake. Set a proper example. See how you just provided an excuse for the 'noisemaker/cheerleader' troll above?

Nope undefined that was all you. You were the one that misrepreseted the situation you brought all of this on by your little old self. You continually say you are leaving to work on your big toe but you never leave and since you don't have any ideas to write about, you just hang around and whine about how unfair everyone is to you. You are as predictable as Rekui's never ending sock puppets.

 

[Undefined]

And you are clearly interested in only the conclusions that people come to. You stupidly ignore the actual science and then whine when people won't watch your crazy video.

That was a great example of how stupid you seem for never reading the science. BICEP2 looks at a radically different thing than the WMAP and other CMB observations, yet you can't tell the difference.

But you can ignore everything ever written by people working with WMAP and instead trust the word of someone publicized by known crazy people. Don't you feel a little embarrassed about that?

But this is clearly a lie. You have never read a WMAP paper. You refused to read anything by Sean Carroll, instead trusting to your poor memory of a video.

It's great to see you signing off with such obvious lies.

Deluding yourself again, PhysBang. Good luck with that, 'scientist'.

 

[Undefined]

Nope undefined that was all you. You were the one that misrepreseted the situation you brought all of this on by your little old self. You continually say you are leaving to work on your big toe but you never leave and since you don't have any ideas to write about, you just hang around and whine about how unfair everyone is to you. You are as predictable as Rekui's never ending sock puppets.

What misrepresentation. The record speaks for itself. It was Russ (misinformed by paddo) that confused the EU venue with the subject matter the video addressed which had nothing to do with EU as such, merely an expert critique of Microwave signal processing and the limitations and pitfalls possible. Period. The rest was noise and confusion which created unnecessary exchanges because paddoboy put his trolling cluttering misleading oar in and Russ refused to watch the video for himself because he believed what that paddoboy troll tried to prejudice him that it was "EU crap". It wasn't. The venue was not important. The contents were. And it wasn't anything to do with EU crap.

See? this is what paddo does, he makes misconstruings (like Tach used to do, even to Pete, James R, rpenner and everyone else until he was rightly permabanned) and everyone gets confused about what is being discussed, and people like you and Trippy and other eager troll-mod types just jump in and continue the furphy even though you don't know what's what because paddo confused you and it snowballed from there into 'uninformed kneejerk' stage like NOW from you as well. Good luck if you don't know what's what anymore, origin, you'll need it if you and others keep letting trolls 'shape' your uninformed reactions. Bye.

 

[Undefined]

Hi Uncle Ira.

How you are Really-Skippy? Before you go Cher, would you explain to me this energy-space thing? Is this a real thing that the smart peoples come up with? Or is something you made up on your own? It don't seem to make much since to ol Ira and it seems to not be much sense to the google-Skioppys either no. Maybe you could spend more time explaining what you mean so the smart peoples won't be having the big fun with you because you just made it up and don't know what it means.

Explain better for me okayeei Neg? Oh yeah I almost forget,,, you do better now mate-Skippy.

@ P.S. for you Really-Undefined-Skippy.

One more other thing come to mind if you would be so nice to answer to me. While you explain the energy-space thing to me, don't forgot to also put in there about how you measure this stuff, okayeei? I'm mean is it the voltmeter-ruler you use or something like that we never did see before? Or is it with something I can find down at the Radio-Shed? Merci and you do better mate-Skippy again.

Like I said before to you (elsewhere), it will all be in my ToE book.

I have withdrawn from discussing any parts of it on the forums until I publish complete. Sorry, I know it's bad timing for you, but you'll just have to be patient and see it all explained complete and consistent so all your questions will be answered at once and you won't be so confused about it all like you say you are. Good luck.

PS: Why don't you start a thread asking members to post their observations regarding how to confirm fundamental 'space' and 'energy' physically 'exists'(and if you feel like it, ask them also about what 'time' abstraction is and how it's 'confirmed' to 'exist', and how that compares to how 'energy' is confirmed to exist physically). Bye. Have fun!

 

[Russ_Watters]

The only reason I even mentioned it again later was because RUSS made a big song and dance about the person/source/venue etc...

Go back and read the relevant exchange starting from the PS to Russ in post #196. It was ONLY in response to Russ (and paddoboy's trolling attempt at bringing irrelevant UE crap into it) that I was forced to mentioned it again later.

Really? You mentioned it first, but I mentioned it second, so it's my fault we're discussing it? That's your out? If that weren't pathetic enough, that's also false. I won't say it's a lie because I think your grasp of reality is just too thin: you don't so much lie as you just make crap up as you go because you don't know or care what the truth is.

So the truth here is that you posted the link and cited the speaker as being an authority, then paddoboy pointed out that the source belies the authority of the speaker, then I asked you why I should watch the video, then you cited the authority of the speaker again. That's right: you cited the authority of the speaker TWICE before I ever mentioned it.

and conflated that content with the VENUE...
[separate post]
It was Russ (misinformed by paddo) that confused the EU venue with the subject matter the video addressed which had nothing to do with EU

Neither I nor paddoboy did any such thing. Again, I'll refrain from saying that's a lie because you clearly have no grasp of what the truth even is. Here's paddoboy's post again:

The video of course sponsored by the Thunderbolt Project......Or those nutbags still pushing a Plasma/Electric Universe theory to over throw present incumbent models.

Sponsored by. He didn't say the video was about EU, he said it was sponsored by the EU people.

Please tell me that your ToE is going to reflect a better grasp of reality than you have shown the past few pages, Undefined. Because this is a pathetic bunch of crap you're just pulling out and flinging at the wall.

 

[Uncle Ira]

Hi Uncle Ira.


Like I said before to you (elsewhere), it will all be in my ToE book.

I have withdrawn from discussing any parts of it on the forums until I publish complete. Sorry, I know it's bad timing for you, but you'll just have to be patient and see it all explained complete and consistent so all your questions will be answered at once and you won't be so confused about it all like you say you are. Good luck.

If it is top super secret, eh, why you bring it up Cher? When you do that it gives the smart peoples you are just pulling words up out of your butt and pretending to be saying something science sounding. Then you get mad with them, like at the other place.

That is why you was getting all the bad karma points and the silly looking pointy cap because you say the science sounding word things and hope nobody ask you what you mean, then get mad because they do and you what you mean, and you tell them it is a secret until the book comes out in the ten or nine years so be patient. Why you bring it up for the first place if you can not tell the secret, eh Neg?

Even the Zyphir-Skippy explain what he is trying to mean when we ask. When you try to mean something it is always the secret and wait ten or nine years for the book.

 

[Uncle Ira]

PS: Why don't you start a thread asking members to post their observations regarding how to confirm fundamental 'space' and 'energy' physically 'exists'(and if you feel like it, ask them also about what 'time' abstraction is and how it's 'confirmed' to 'exist', and how that compares to how 'energy' is confirmed to exist physically). Bye. Have fun!

You think ol Ira should start the new thread? Why you can't explain in this one? This is where you say the energy-space. So if you can no explain what you tried to mean, how the other member-Skippys going to know what you were trying to mean? Meybe they know the secret what is in the book?

You one odd individual Really-Undefined-Skippy. I'm afraid ol Ira will be dead and dust before the book ever goes for sale.

 

[Undefined]

Really? You mentioned it first, but I mentioned it second, so it's my fault we're discussing it? That's your out? If that weren't pathetic enough, that's also false. I won't say it's a lie because I think your grasp of reality is just too thin: you don't so much lie as you just make crap up as you go because you don't know or care what the truth is.

So the truth here is that you posted the link and cited the speaker as being an authority, then paddoboy pointed out that the source belies the authority of the speaker, then I asked you why I should watch the video, then you cited the authority of the speaker again. That's right: you cited the authority of the speaker TWICE before I ever mentioned it.

Neither I nor paddoboy did any such thing. Again, I'll refrain from saying that's a lie because you clearly have no grasp of what the truth even is. Here's paddoboy's post again:

Sponsored by. He didn't say the video was about EU, he said it was sponsored by the EU people.

Please tell me that your ToE is going to reflect a better grasp of reality than you have shown the past few pages, Undefined. Because this is a pathetic bunch of crap you're just pulling out and flinging at the wall.

I mentioned in the PS when I posted the link so you would know the expert and his expertise matter. Reasonable minimum introductory info when posting a reference for your perusal. Period. I made no more of it then.

Later paddoboy 'poisoned the well' for your 'reaction', and you made a smart aleck remark about what did I think you would want to watch it. I answered that it was, as I originally pointed out for your info, that it was a relevant expert's critique pointing to possible signal processing limitations and pitfalls involved in the manipulation/interpretation of CMB microwave signal data/sources.

Now why anyone should be so upset by that reference and initial info when linking to it, only you and the trolls who are upset by it can tell.

I didn't make a big deal of it at all, at any stage. Any further reference to the expert and the subject matter was in direct response to YOUR smart aleck refusal remark which was obviously misinformed by paddoboy's ASSOCIATING the video with EU even though the matter covered by that expert in the video had NOTHING at all to do with UE theory, irrespective of how it was used by others in other contexts.

So, if you are done with the irrelevant personality/venue/association etc etc distractions obviously brought by paddo's prejudicial 'association' that affected your own refusal to view it, then I leave you all to it, for it's stand alone overall thrust/content, not its 'associations' which objective and thorough science method cares nothing about. Good luck, Russ.

 

[paddoboy]

Like I said before to you (elsewhere), it will all be in my ToE book.

I have an addition for your ToE, LAMISIL....successfully treats fungi, athlete's foot, and the itching, burning and scaling which may accompany the condition.

 

[origin]

Like I said before to you (elsewhere), it will all be in my ToE book.

Just to be perfectly clear here, the idea that someone like you who has no working knowledge of physics and no math skills could write a viable book that the greatest minds in the last 100 years could not do is completely insane. Seriously, the level of delusion required to convince yourself of that would without a doubt qualify as insane. The chance that you would be able to write something, hell ANYTHING, insightful about physics has exactly the same chance as you curing cancer or becoming the king of Saudi Arabia. The other obvious option is you are just on a mission to have fun by annoying people.

I think the answer is here:

Bye. Have fun!

I do hope you are not insane and just having a swell time annoying people.

 

[Undefined]

I have an addition for your ToE, LAMISIL....successfully treats fungi, athlete's foot, and the itching, burning and scaling which may accompany the condition.

And that, folks, is about the level of 'wit' the troll has to offer serious science discourse when his trolling silliness is made plain to all.

Good luck everyone, and don't cut yourselves by getting too close to paddo's above demonstrated 'rapier wit', now!

 

[Undefined]

Just to be perfectly clear here, the idea that someone like you who has no working knowledge of physics and no math skills could write a viable book that the greatest minds in the last 100 years could not do is completely insane. Seriously, the level of delusion required to convince yourself of that would without a doubt qualify as insane. The chance that you would be able to write something, hell ANYTHING, insightful about physics has exactly the same chance as you curing cancer or becoming the king of Saudi Arabia. The other obvious option is you are just on a mission to have fun by annoying people.

I think the answer is here:



I do hope you are not insane and just having a swell time annoying people.

Whatever does it for you, origin. Far be it from me to argue with you and your opinions on anything/anyone, since you are so certain about it all. But remember: On rare occasions, "truth may be stranger than fiction". It happens when you least expect it. As revolutions from left-field usually do. Good luck, origin.

 

[origin]

Whatever does it for you, origin. Far be it from me to argue with you and your opinions on anything/anyone, since you are so certain about it all. Good luck, origin.

Same to you mate. Seriously though, if you think you are really going to write the most important book on physics since Einstein's theory of GR, I strongly suggest that you discuss these ideas with your health professional, it may just be a harmless delusion but it could be an indication of something more serious that medical science could help you with.

Again good luck.

 

[Russ_Watters]

I mentioned in the PS when I posted the link so you would know the expert and his expertise matter. Reasonable minimum introductory info when posting a reference for your perusal.

Unnecessary if the source is relevant and qualified. So just take it as a lesson learned for next time: if the source you post is qualified and relevant, you don't need to say it. That's the minimum requirement, so it is redundant to say it.

Later paddoboy 'poisoned the well' for your 'reaction', and you made a smart aleck remark about what did I think you would want to watch it.

It wasn't a smart aleck remark, it's a legitimate question and one that remains unanswered. This thread isn't about the Big Bang Theory, so I see no relevance to posting that link and you have yet to provide an explanation that makes a connection between it and the OP.

Now why anyone should be so upset by that reference and initial info when linking to it, only you and the trolls who are upset by it can tell.

Upset? You're the one blathering, Undefined. You're the one coming unglued and spewing crap. I'm not upset all all -- indeed, I enjoy watching crackpot trolls implode! This is better than the baseball game I'm watching!

So, if you are done with the irrelevant personality/venue/association etc etc distractions obviously brought by paddo's prejudicial 'association' that affected your own refusal to view it, then I leave you all to it, for it's stand alone overall thrust/content, not its 'associations' which objective and thorough science method cares nothing about.

You can make this stop, Undefined. All you have to do is retract it and everything you've said about it. Admit you made a mistake in posting it and I'll drop this right now (other than to acknowledge/accept your retraction of course) and stop pummeling you. Frankly, I can't understand why you keep submitting yourself to this -- you have a ToE almost ready to publish that will change the world, get you fame, riches and a Nobel prize, yet you keep submitting yourself for beatings here. It makes no sense.

 

[Russ_Watters]

You should be ashamed of yourself! Why in the name of all that is holy are you wasting your time 'tying up loose ends' here, when you have the answer to the biggest problem in physics, probably all of science and all you have to do is write it down!

Geeze, have you lost sight of what is important? You should not be spending one second on this site when it is taking time away from you advancing all of science.

I don't get it, if I had that knowledge wild horse couldn't keep me from sharing it.:shrug:

Indeed: Undefine's continued posting here is all but a crime against humanity!

 

[paddoboy]

Whatever does it for you, origin. Far be it from me to argue with you and your opinions on anything/anyone, since you are so certain about it all. But remember: On rare occasions, "truth may be stranger than fiction". It happens when you least expect it. As revolutions from left-field usually do. Good luck, origin.

On rare occasions, sure it can.....but this isn't one of them.
And on those rare occasions, if and when it happens, it will be recognised as such, after the scientific methodology and peer review have been satisfied.

The revolutions in science you claim come from left field have not come from left field.....They have been mainstream ideas, by mainstream scientists in most all cases.

 

[Undefined]

Hi again, Uncle Ira.

If it is top super secret, eh, why you bring it up Cher? When you do that it gives the smart peoples you are just pulling words up out of your butt and pretending to be saying something science sounding. Then you get mad with them, like at the other place.

That is why you was getting all the bad karma points and the silly looking pointy cap because you say the science sounding word things and hope nobody ask you what you mean, then get mad because they do and you what you mean, and you tell them it is a secret until the book comes out in the ten or nine years so be patient. Why you bring it up for the first place if you can not tell the secret, eh Neg?

Even the Zyphir-Skippy explain what he is trying to mean when we ask. When you try to mean something it is always the secret and wait ten or nine years for the book.

You think ol Ira should start the new thread? Why you can't explain in this one? This is where you say the energy-space. So if you can no explain what you tried to mean, how the other member-Skippys going to know what you were trying to mean? Meybe they know the secret what is in the book?

You one odd individual Really-Undefined-Skippy. I'm afraid ol Ira will be dead and dust before the book ever goes for sale.

It's unfortunate timing on your part, Uncle Ira. I have been discussing small bits of it over many years IN PASSING while discussing OTHER PEOPLE's perspectives.

I only allude to my ToE lately IN PASSING as an explanation for why I won't be discussing anything on the forums anymore until it's published.

Sorry about you coming so late to the story, when I am just about to withdraw from all discussions. So I apologize for not being able to go into any detail anymore in order to answer your questions now. The timing is what it is, and you and everyone has to wait until the book is finalized and out.

Anyhow, did you read my PS suggestion in my last post to you, recommending you start a thread along the lines I suggested, so that at least you will get OTHER people's 'answers' to your questions? Try it and see what comes of it that you may understand that helps you at the moment. Have fun.

Good luck!

 

[paddoboy]

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Upset? You're the one blathering, Undefined. You're the one coming unglued and spewing crap. I'm not upset all all -- indeed, I enjoy watching crackpot trolls implode! This is better than the baseball game I'm watching!

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You could do better......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-l_bJOMFQA