For men only, say no to sex?
- Thread starter madanthonywayne
- Start date
No. If I had to turn down sex, I can safely assume I'm not the only one making the moves here.
Though I do make a point of never sleeping with someone who
a) would call it rape for whatever reasons
b) would drink herself so stupid she didn't know what was happening, or couldn't remember anything afterwards.
Though I do make a point of never sleeping with someone who
a) would call it rape for whatever reasons
b) would drink herself so stupid she didn't know what was happening, or couldn't remember anything afterwards.
if a woman cant trust herself when she is drunk, maybe she shouldent get drunk then. if she is just going to sleep with men because she is drunk maybe alcohol is too strong for her weak mind.
i dont take drugs or touch alcohol neither does my wife.
peace.
i dont take drugs or touch alcohol neither does my wife.
peace.
It's usually more the case that she can't trust men.
Agreed. If she wasn't so drunk that she was unable to give consent to sex, then she is responsible for the consequences of her own voluntary act. But if she was too drunk to know what she was doing, we have a whole different ball game.
if she suspects that some people might take advantage of her when she is too drunk, then she should keep her witts about her and not get that wasted.
i think men should not take advantage of drunken women, in my opinion it is very sleazy to do something like that, but i also think that to be on the safe side men and women alike should not get so drunk that they cant understand whats going on around them.
peace.
I've always wondered what exactly people mean when they talk about being "too drunk to know what they were doing." If the person was "doing" anything, they were probably aware that they were doing it. Are we talking about actually being passed out drunk? Or is there some alleged state of drunkenness in which a person is still conscious and able to actively participate in sex, yet is somehow unaware of what they are doing? It's not as if taking off your shirt and moaning "F***k me..." is some sort of autonomic brain function that can occur without a deliberate effort on one's part.
Last edited:
In more conserative words...
Men, it is up to us to not commit the act. We are the one who has to have a bodily response so sex can even occur. Hormones are hard bitches to ignore, but you know what, you can.
I'm 19... my g/f is 17, will be 18 on christmas. Two years now we tease and flirt and play around, but we don't have sex... not only is it immoral to have sex yet but it's stupid. There are so many factors that COULD go wrong that WOULD ruin our lives. Not to even MENTION that she is still a minor...
If someone were to be so drunk they were illogical... I wouldn't have sex with them. First off, it'd probably suck. Second of all, why would you do that? Are you THAT desparate? Here's a porno movie and some lube, there's the door to the back room.
*shrugs*
Men, it is up to us to not commit the act. We are the one who has to have a bodily response so sex can even occur. Hormones are hard bitches to ignore, but you know what, you can.
I'm 19... my g/f is 17, will be 18 on christmas. Two years now we tease and flirt and play around, but we don't have sex... not only is it immoral to have sex yet but it's stupid. There are so many factors that COULD go wrong that WOULD ruin our lives. Not to even MENTION that she is still a minor...
If someone were to be so drunk they were illogical... I wouldn't have sex with them. First off, it'd probably suck. Second of all, why would you do that? Are you THAT desparate? Here's a porno movie and some lube, there's the door to the back room.
*shrugs*
I've had some fabulous wild, kinky sex in which both myself and my partner were drunk. You assume a lot about drunk sex for someone who has apparently never tried it.
Either that's tongue in cheek or you don't really understand male physiology.
By the same token don't you also think that if a women gets wet she MUST have wanted it.
Last edited:
It's become an acceptable excuse, no idea why, short of passing out people still know what they're doing, they may act differently but they're still perfectly aware.
Hmm, I don't know, but ...what about pschological rape? I.e., the man might not want to have sex with her, but if she's attractive to him, and she comes on strong, he might not have the "immediate" will to resist. Was it rape? Well, how many women yell "Rape" after-the-fact? And isn't that the same thing?
Baron Max
Hmm, no, I don't think so. People aren't necessarily "perfectly aware" when under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I had a chance with a woman once who was drunk, but not falling down type drunk. We agreed to go to her apartment. We played on the sofa, drank some more, removed our clothes, played some more, ...then right at the point of entry, she started to cry. Duh?
She "wanted to", but she knew that she shouldn't. She was using the alcohol to bolster her courage ....then it all failed at the last moment.
No, I didn't rape her. Yes, we became friends. Yes, we talked about it. Yes, she admitted to wanting to, but didn't have the courage to go thru with it.
Would it have been rape if I'd continued? Yes. But would she have called the cops? Probably not. But it would have been rape ...make no mistake about it. And, unfortunately, that's one of the effects of alcohol ...the loss of good sense!
Baron Max
What the hell is wrong with having sex on the first date? As long as all the other conditions apply, then I don't see any problem with first date sex! :bugeye:
It changes what you would or wouldn't do for sure, but what it doesn't change is your awareness of doing it and (apart from physically)ability to stop it or want to stop it.
You might not sleep with someone when you're sober but do it when you're drunk, but you still wanted it when you were drunk and it's therefore not rape. That's the point where I disagree with it being an acceptable excuse, in fact I find it lame and pathetic, someone may be drunk but if they still want the sex then that's their own fault, it's a mistake, one you wouldn't normally make but a mistake all the same, nothing more, and people should have the guts to own up to making those, it's normal to do so.
Max -
Except she was perfectly aware of what she was doing otherwise she wouldn't have realised the mistake and stopped it.
Sure, that's exactly what most people use alcohol for.
If you'd have continued after she changed her mind then yes I'd agree it's rape, otherwise it isn't, if she still wanted to then it isn't rape it's just a drunken mistake, call a spade a spade. Unfortunately as far as I'm aware law doesn't see it this way which I think is incredibly stupid. It's well known that alcohol lowers standards and makes people more open and confident, but is that really an excuse? People knowing this still drink, I think they have to accept what comes with that without crying wolf, if someone doesn't like what it may make them WANT to do then don't drink.
Does anyone here believe that a person shouldn't be responsible for their actions if they get in their car and hit someone while driving drunk? If you think that a person is responsible for their actions while drunk with respect to driving, why would you think that they're suddenly not responsible for their actions if they consent to sex? Because they wouldn't have done it had they been sober? Surely most drunks who hit people with their car would not have run anyone over had they been sober. So...what's the difference?
That's the most logical and analytical argument I've heard anywhere on the forums lately. Good work Nasor, you're perfectly correct in this assertion. There is no difference, the only thing here is that it's a woman, and she's got a sweetness about her that men like. If it was a man there'd also be no issue, if he was drunk and later regretted it calling it rape there'd never, ever, be any charges.