Federal Gulf Oil Disaster Plan

[joepistole]

What really make me sad joe, is ("do your remember") who sat in the senate on the committee, and voted for every democratic and republican spending bill that added to this depression? Sen. Barrack Obama D. Ill.

It was the Democrats who protected their friends in charge of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the GSEs that caused the Housing Bubble, which caused the cascades of defaults which lead to this depression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5z9lD4C2Io&annotation_id=annotation_406054&feature=iv

TheMouthPeace — September 30, 2008 — This video is an informative look at the factors that are causing our current financial and economic crisis. It discusses policy changes 13 years ago that unleashed the sub-prime mortgage-backed securities market, which accelerated prices erratically, inviting speculation and loose lending practices which were both condoned and encouraged by existing regulation and carried out by risk-blind executives and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=related

TheMouthPeace — October 05, 2008 — An informative look at who fought to prevent the subprime mortgage meltdown with tighter regulations, and who did not.

And it was the Republicans who tried to reign in the excess of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac;

S. 190: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005
109th Congress this is a bill in the U.S. Congress originating in the Senate ("S."). A bill must be passed by both the Senate and House and then be signed by the President before it becomes law.
Bill numbers restart from 1 every two years. Each two-year cycle is called a session of Congress. This bill was created in the 109th Congress, in 2005-2006.
The titles of bills are written by the bill's sponsor and are a part of the legislation itself. GovTrack does not editorialize bill summaries.

2005-2006

Sen. Charles Hagel [R-NE]
Cosponsors:
Elizabeth Dole [R-NC]
John McCain [R-AZ]
John Sununu [R-NH]
( don't see a Democrat in sight)

and the Democrats blocked S-109 in committee with parliamentary procedures, and never allowed it out for a vote, which then allowed it to die at the end of the legislative session.

Yes, joe, it is really sad that the Democrats killed every reform effort by Republicans of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, whose irresponsibility caused this Depression it started with the CRA, a Carter and Democrat disaster.

ps: It has now been two years since Obama took office, with full democratic control of the Congress until just recently, and under the Democrats it has just been announced that our Governmental Debt has gone over $13,000,000,000,000+ Billion Dollar, that is $2,300,000,000,000+ dollars more than when Obama and the Democrats took office, now how many years does Obama have to be in office before He is responsible for His own spending and isn't given special dispensation by the adoring liberals from His unconscionable, exorbitant, inappropriate, spending.

A couple of those pesky little details Mr. Buffalo Roam. First, while claiming that Fannie and Freddie were responsible for the economic collapse is popular in your circles (Republican, limbaugh, etc) there is absoultely no basis in fact for that position. And this has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions...but that does not stop you from repeating the mindless mantra. Fannie and Freddie are red herrings used by Republicans to divert attention from their roll in causing the economic crisis of 2007 and 2008 and the on going fiscal/debt crisis.

Let me also remind you of a couple of things. First Fannie and Freddie were independently owned companies with their stock traded on the public stock exchanges. They have been in existence for several decades. And they were orginally government entities intended to create liquidity to banks making real estate loans. The legislation you cite would not have fixed anything because one, Fannie and Freddie were not the problem. And two, because the bill you cite was to further deregulate Fannie and Freddie. And we all see where Republican deregulation and failure to enforce existing law got us, didn't we?

The problem which caused the financial crisis was credit default swaps and unregulated derivitave trading. Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with credit default swaps and CDOs..

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190&tab=summary

And you are getting off subject...avoiding the subject of this thread.

 

[iceaura]

Split hairs all you want but, the 110th Congress ;

Senate Majority: Democratic Party

The Dems held 49 seats for the first several months, 48 thereafter. That is not a majority of the 100 seats.

ice as I have posted before 15 months in office, Pbama's second year, the last Bush budget has expired, the current budget is all Democrat spending from Congress to the White House. so when are does Obama take responsability and let the Buck Stop on His desk.

What you posted before was that Obama had been President for two years. That was not even close - 15 months is less than 2/3 of two years, and the first 12 of them were under a budget and set of policies created by W.

The buck will begin stopping at Obama's desk when he has had time enough and opportunity enough to begin to repair the damage done by W&Co in cooperation with the Congress of the Gingrich decade - '95 through '05. Probably he won't have made much real progress until well into the third year of his first term, even if he is both competent and successful (we don't know yet) - at least two full sessions of Congress after he has set up his executive team.

That' s presuming he can overcome the obstacle of the Republican Party still holding serious power in Washington, especially the filibuster in the Senate, which has blocked or delayed most Obama's initiatives. If he can't, the damage of the W tenure will continue to create serious problems for many years.

It will take a few years to get decent regulatory control over off shore oil drilling, and set up a disaster response agency capable of doing anything, for example.

Additionally, he has to find a way to do something about W's stuffing the federal bureaucracy with fundies, Regent U grads, ex Enron executives, Abramoff's chosen favor recipients, Republican campaign workers, and similar incompetents. Some of them have close to ten years of civil service tenure now.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

The Dems held 49 seats for the first several months, 48 thereafter. That is not a majority of the 100 seats.

What you posted before was that Obama had been President for two years. That was not even close - 15 months is less than 2/3 of two years, and the first 12 of them were under a budget and set of policies created by W.

The buck will begin stopping at Obama's desk when he has had time enough and opportunity enough to begin to repair the damage done by W&Co in cooperation with the Congress of the Gingrich decade - '95 through '05. Probably he won't have made much real progress until well into the third year of his first term, even if he is both competent and successful (we don't know yet) - at least two full sessions of Congress after he has set up his executive team.

That' s presuming he can overcome the obstacle of the Republican Party still holding serious power in Washington, especially the filibuster in the Senate, which has blocked or delayed most Obama's initiatives. If he can't, the damage of the W tenure will continue to create serious problems for many years.

It will take a few years to get decent regulatory control over off shore oil drilling, and set up a disaster response agency capable of doing anything, for example.

Additionally, he has to find a way to do something about W's stuffing the federal bureaucracy with fundies, Regent U grads, ex Enron executives, Abramoff's chosen favor recipients, Republican campaign workers, and similar incompetents. Some of them have close to ten years of civil service tenure now.

Did you apply the same standards in your assessment of blame for Republicans when they controlled the Congress and the White House, or did you hammer them unmercifully over every little thing that wasn't to your liberal satisfaction.

ps: most of the federal bureaucracy, is career bureaucrats, appointed by democrats.

 

[iceaura]

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Did you apply the same standards in your assessment of blame for Republicans when they controlled the Congress and the White House,

Sure.

That was, we recall, during the decade in which the executive response capability of the US government was systematically vandalized, crippled and damaged beyond easy repair.

We don't have a functional FEMA any more. Neither do we have reliable regulatory agencies, oversight bodies, and other governmental protection of the public health, welfare, landscape, and resources from corporate malfeasance. Neither do we have the institutional capability of taxing the great wealth accumulated by the beneficiaries of this vandalism. These would take time to rebuild, even after the current obstacles to that rebuilding were overcome.

And yes, we on the libertarian left did our best to point out what was happening, and who was doing it, at the time. We had no reliable major media outlet, no corporate backing, and the handicap of constant barrages of shitflinging and corrupted opposition from the people like you, but we did try.

ps: most of the federal bureaucracy, is career bureaucrats, appointed by democrats.

A truly remarkable, and remarkably common, belief. It's as if 20 of the past 28 years of Federal executive administration never happened, in the minds of these people.

They see poor current disaster preparedness and missing oversight, they look back for the slackers - and they somehow skip the immediately prior decade of bureaucratic change and administration. They truly don't see it. It isn't there, in their minds.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Yes,really ice, if you say so, Obama has had 17 months, that is 8 months longer than President Bush had to clean up the intelligence agency mess, Bill Clinton and the Democrats left for Him, and you cut President Bush no slack at all.

It was Democratic Governor who screwed the pooch before, during, and after Katrina by not requesting FEMA assistance in a timely manner, even though She had participated in disaster drills, and knew the drill, and was told that She had to request Federal Disaster Aid, to allow FEMA to move into Louisiana, and the deputy director of Louisiana's Homeland Security Department, Colonel Jay Mayeaux, delayed the Red Cross for 24 hours before allowing them into New Orleans


She blocked Federalization of the Louisiana National Guard even though it would have streamlined the releaf process, and

CNN and Fox News reported the Louisiana Homeland Security Department (which operates under the authority of Governor Blanco) refused to allow the American Red Cross to enter the city of New Orleans

1.^ Troops told 'shoot to kill' in New Orleans. 02/09/2005. ABC News Online
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1451906.htm
2.^ Press Briefing by Scott McClellan
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050901-2.html
3.^ Executive Summary, Select Bipartisan Committee to Investigate the Preparation for and Response to Hurricane Katrina, 2006-2-15, U.S. Government Printing Office,
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/katrinareport/execsummary.pdf
http://gpoaccess.gov/

 

[joepistole]

Did you apply the same standards in your assessment of blame for Republicans when they controlled the Congress and the White House, or did you hammer them unmercifully over every little thing that wasn't to your liberal satisfaction.

ps: most of the federal bureaucracy, is career bureaucrats, appointed by democrats.

Poor george II and back in the good olde days when it was treason to speak be critical of him...yeah right.

And where is your proof that most of the federal bureaucracy are career bureaucrats or is this more right wing whacko fantasy stuff?

 

[iceaura]

Yes,really ice, if you say so, Obama has had 17 months, that is 8 months longer than President Bush had to clean up the intelligence agency mess, Bill Clinton and the Democrats left for Him, and you cut President Bush no slack at all.

15, not 17, months.

W would have been cut whatever slack he deserved had he made any attempt to improve the intelligence agency operations. He did the opposite - he made them much worse, both before and after 9/11.

At one point, he and his closest staff actually outed - destroyed - a key working intelligence operation. That was treason, on top of his political interferences and other vandalism, and he compounded it by stuffing the key agencies involved with partisan political campaign workers and like designed policies. He introduced incompetent and illegal and thoroughly objectionable interrogation protocols, rigged and manipulated what competent intelligence operations he did permit, and based the entire country's major foreign policy initiatives on the consequent unrealistic and fantasy driven "intelligence" results for partisan and corporate favoring purposes unrelated to the welfare of the country as a whole. He did this in violation of the law, his oath of office, and the best interests of the United States.

That is cutting him a great deal of slack, by assuming he was not deliberately destroying the US intelligence operations he was vandalizing - I am assuming he and his administration did not know what they were doing, despite evidence to the contrary.

It was Democratic Governor who screwed the pooch before, during, and after Katrina by not requesting FEMA assistance in a timely manner,

That was a consequence of W&Co's reorganization and staffing of FEMA. Contrast FEMA's operations during the Red River flood of "98, and notice that no such snafus were possible in the competently organized and prepared FEMA response to the predicted flood.

Notice that after the governor did file the formal request, no competent response from FEMA appeared - and to this day, FEMA remains incapable of the kinds of response that were routine and expected in '98.

CNN and Fox News reported the Louisiana Homeland Security Department (which operates under the authority of Governor Blanco) refused to allow the American Red Cross to enter the city of New Orleans

The Louisiana Homeland Security Department was set up by W's administration. It's malfunctions were and are typical of everything W&Co set up, when they created this ridiculous Homeland Security bureaucracy. Obama has to deal within this setup, as well - he hasn't had time, and has lacked the power, to repair and reform much of what W&Co wrecked.

1.^ Troops told 'shoot to kill' in New Orleans. 02/09/2005. ABC News Online

That was three days after FEMA had actually arrived - and accomplished little except confusion. Read the quote from Terry Ebberts, in the middle paragraphs.

2.^ Press Briefing by Scott McClellan

That is not information. McClellan did nothing but lie throughout his tenure, in the service of the domestic and partisan political goals of his superiors. That was his job.

3.^ Executive Summary, Select Bipartisan Committee to Investigate the Preparation for and Response to Hurricane Katrina,

You should read that. Compare its findings with the response to the Red River floods of '98. Notice that the Federal agencies referred to had been radically re-organized and newly staffed by W&Co over the preceding four years.

CNN and Fox News reported the Louisiana Homeland Security Department (which operates under the authority of Governor Blanco) refused to allow the American Red Cross to enter the city of New Orleans

The American Red Cross refused to help the people of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

In any hurricane evacuation, the job of the Red Cross is to care for victims in buildings that are safe from winds and water. When government officials ordered the evacuation of New Orleans, the Red Cross followed that evacuation order and provided shelter to evacuees in safe locations throughout Louisiana and other states. Planning with state and local officials for many years had shown that there were no safe shelter locations within the city of New Orleans.

We were prepared to re-enter New Orleans to provide relief services, but the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness asked that we not send people and vehicles into the city because of their concerns that doing so would disrupt rescue efforts and impede further evacuation efforts. The responsibility for caring for those remaining in New Orleans was assigned to first responders and the National Guard, not the Red Cross. The American Red Cross is not a "first responder" and plays no role in rescue or evacuation.

 

[iceaura]

Yes,really ice, if you say so, Obama has had 17 months, that is 8 months longer than President Bush had to clean up the intelligence agency mess, Bill Clinton and the Democrats left for Him, and you cut President Bush no slack at all.

15, not 17, months.

W would have been cut whatever slack he deserved had he made any attempt to improve the intelligence agency operations. He did the opposite - he made them much worse, both before and after 9/11.

At one point, he and his closest staff actually outed - destroyed - a key working intelligence operation. That was treason, on top of his political interferences and other vandalism, and he compounded it by stuffing the key agencies involved with partisan political campaign workers and like designed policies. He introduced incompetent and illegal and thoroughly objectionable interrogation protocols, rigged and manipulated what competent intelligence operations he did permit, and based the entire country's major foreign policy initiatives on the consequent unrealistic and fantasy driven "intelligence" results for partisan and corporate favoring purposes unrelated to the welfare of the country as a whole. He did this in violation of the law, his oath of office, and the best interests of the United States.

That is cutting him a great deal of slack, by assuming he was not deliberately destroying the US intelligence operations he was vandalizing - I am assuming he and his administration did not know what they were doing, despite evidence to the contrary.

It was Democratic Governor who screwed the pooch before, during, and after Katrina by not requesting FEMA assistance in a timely manner,

That was a consequence of W&Co's reorganization and staffing of FEMA. Contrast FEMA's operations during the Red River flood of "98, and notice that no such snafus were possible in the competently organized and prepared FEMA response to the predicted flood.

Notice that after the governor did file the formal request, no competent response from FEMA appeared - and to this day, FEMA remains incapable of the kinds of response that were routine and expected in '98.

CNN and Fox News reported the Louisiana Homeland Security Department (which operates under the authority of Governor Blanco) refused to allow the American Red Cross to enter the city of New Orleans

The Louisiana Homeland Security Department was set up by W's administration. It's malfunctions were and are typical of everything W&Co set up, such as when they created the huge Homeland Security bureaucracy. Obama has to deal within this setup, as well - he hasn't had time, and has lacked the power, to repair and reform much of what W&Co wrecked.

1.^ Troops told 'shoot to kill' in New Orleans. 02/09/2005. ABC News Online

That was three days after FEMA had actually arrived - and accomplished little except confusion. Read the quote from Terry Ebberts, in the middle paragraphs.

2.^ Press Briefing by Scott McClellan

That is not information. McClellan did nothing but lie throughout his tenure, in the service of the domestic and partisan political goals of his superiors. That was his job.

3.^ Executive Summary, Select Bipartisan Committee to Investigate the Preparation for and Response to Hurricane Katrina,

You should read that. Compare its findings with the response to the Red River floods of '98. Notice that the Federal agencies referred to had been radically re-organized and newly staffed by W&Co over the preceding four years.

CNN and Fox News reported the Louisiana Homeland Security Department (which operates under the authority of Governor Blanco) refused to allow the American Red Cross to enter the city of New Orleans

In any hurricane evacuation, the job of the Red Cross is to care for victims in buildings that are safe from winds and water. When government officials ordered the evacuation of New Orleans, the Red Cross followed that evacuation order and provided shelter to evacuees in safe locations throughout Louisiana and other states. Planning with state and local officials for many years had shown that there were no safe shelter locations within the city of New Orleans.

We were prepared to re-enter New Orleans to provide relief services, but the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness asked that we not send people and vehicles into the city because of their concerns that doing so would disrupt rescue efforts and impede further evacuation efforts. The responsibility for caring for those remaining in New Orleans was assigned to first responders and the National Guard, not the Red Cross. The American Red Cross is not a "first responder" and plays no role in rescue or evacuation.

Some background, as you may be interested in Colonel Ebbert'evaluation of the results of W&Co's executive branch reorganization of FEMA:

http://www.semp.us/publications/biot_reader.php?BiotID=325

I want to state that I find no fault with any official, but rather a National Response Plan and a FEMA organization totally overwhelmed by the magnitude of the disaster. This storm did not fit into the nice little neat book of administrative regulations during a huge time sensitive operational response. I believe we must:

1. Recognize that an administrative organization (FEMA), built around part time contractors, has no operational capability to control large scale emergency response. It needs to concentrate on recovery operations.

2. Find a way to immediately utilize the only organization with the leadership, command and control capability, logistics movement centers, equipment and training to accomplish large scale response—The Department of Defense. A standing joint staff should be established as a mission of USNORTHCOM.

3. Develop prepackaged capability for communication, food, water, fuel, medical and other vital supplies.

4. Ensure early relief efforts are PUSH rather than PULL.

As far as W&Co's staffing of FEMA and other such agencies, an illustration:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- David Paulison, a 30-year veteran of fire rescue work and the man who recommended Americans stock up on plastic sheeting and duct tape in the event of a terrorist attack, will serve as acting director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, whose embattled director, Michael Brown, resigned earlier in the day.

"Chief Paulison has over 30 years of experience in emergency management, working his way up the ranks from firefighter to chief of the Miami-Dade County fire and rescue department," Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said in a written statement.

Chertoff said he expects to make other appointments to FEMA in coming days, "including a permanent deputy director to augment the resources available to assist with FEMA's vital mission."

In 2003, Paulison was appointed director of the Preparedness Division of the Emergency Preparedness & Response Directorate/FEMA, in the newly created Department of Homeland Security, according to his biography posted on the agency's Web site.

It was in that role that Paulison recommended Americans stock up on plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal windows and doors in case of a biological, chemical or radiological attack.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

15, not 17, months

Obama swore in in Jan-09, this May-10, 12 month to a year, 5 months into 2010, that is 17 months.

And it doesn't change a thing, you have neve cut any slack for Bush.

 

[PieAreSquared]

Poor george II and back in the good olde days when it was treason to speak be critical of him...yeah right.

And where is your proof that most of the federal bureaucracy are career bureaucrats or is this more right wing whacko fantasy stuff?

joe p ..


http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may142010/oil-cheney-ro.php

 

[joepistole]

joe p ..


http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may142010/oil-cheney-ro.php

I know...and agree.

 

[PieAreSquared]

I was wondering how long before details about the secret kiss up meeting would come out.

More to add to the Bush legacy of totally fucking up the US... oh wait I mean the world
Greedy bastards

 

[iceaura]

Obama swore in in Jan-09, this May-10, 12 month to a year, 5 months into 2010, that is 17 months.

Presidents of the US are sworn in on January 20th.

The oil well blew on April 20th. That's 15 months.

Obama's cabinet was not confirmed until April, btw. He has yet to complete a full session of Congress with his own cabinet in place.

 

[joepistole]

Presidents of the US are sworn in on January 20th.

The oil well blew on April 20th. That's 15 months.

Obama's cabinet was not confirmed until April, btw. He has yet to complete a full session of Congress with his own cabinet in place.

One of those pesky details that Buffalo Roam would rather not be. So he does what he and his mentors (limbaugh, beck, hannity, levin, et al) always do, make stuff up.

 

[PieAreSquared]

One of those pesky details that Buffalo Roam would rather not be. So he does what he and his mentors (limbaugh, beck, hannity, levin, et al) always do, make stuff up.

that and posting something totally unrelated to the topic :shrug:

or :bawl: because someone dropped a few letters of his user name