Your ideas on the universe are precisely just that : ideas. The "pizza" has not been delivered. In fact, one could even say that the notion of "the pizza" having the hope of being delivered by empiricism is a fanciful imagination.
Evidence that God is real
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Write4U
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No. Mathematics is the most sublime universally causal function. Plenty of evidence.
Mathematical values and functions do not require sentience.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
You introduced the example of the pizza. It's your idea.
Are you now proposing that god responds to prayer, like picking up the phone and ordering a pizza from Bob? Drop the pizza metaphor, it won't ever work.
Your God is an idea, a wishful thought. Noble, but alas no physical evidence to support the idea.
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Xelasnave.1947
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Look if twitter is good enought for the president why not God even if it is not clear who is the most devine☺.
Utube would be a great idea...God could call in to the Atheist Experience and debate with Matt.
And why stop there ...throw in some public debates.
Probably direct contact from God would get around the made up stuff...
Really if I wanted to tell you something face to face could work.
Have a great day.
Alex
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Does God or does the Medical Profession and the Computer Industry fix arthritis or broadband speeds? Your scenario begs the question why God introduced these infirmities in the first place, so that he could fix them?
What you are proposing is a con's scam. Throw the girl in the river so you can save her life and become a community hero.
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Yes it all seems so obvious.
Social media is awash with mutual agreement and conflict resolution.
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
I doubt it.
The current position is not really getting a consistent message out there.
I would not like to be represented by folk claiming they know my thoughts and would much prefer to present my case in person.
Sounds reasonable certainly more reasonable than it all being so mysterious.
Alex
It's not my proposal.
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
Maybe God is letting social media become universal before he gets involved☺
Alex
Amongst two sincere parties, I would agree. If, however, we have a vested interest in things, we introduce a necessary complexity (a complexity that this current state of affairs is already addressing brilliantly, I might add).
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
The exciting thing is nothing will change and so we will never know of any alternative provides a better approach.
The beauty of the current situation is holy men can make up whatever they want and that cant be a bad thing can it☺
Must really go have a great day it has been most pleasant chatting and hearing your wisdom.
Alex
A rising tide lifts all boats, what to speak of a low tide. Atheists, et al, also get to chatter freely, and do their (apparently exciting) gig to boot (which, amongst many things, dictates what can and cannot change or be known. If it was otherwise, a gig wouldn't be a gig).
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Then why are you introducing God as a confirmed "state of affairs". Among two sincere parties I would argue that the introduction of a God is introducing unnecessary complexity, being that the current mathematical state of affairs is already doing brilliantly.
No doubt. People are foolish and petty - especially when it comes to religion.
Write4U
Valued Senior Member
Atheists get to chatter regardless if there is a God. It's the Theists demand for belief in God that atheists have to worry about.
Contrary to religious law I know of no other law that says if you do not believe in E = Mc^2 the scientific community will (should) hunt you down and kill you.
But you don't know that it couldn't happen. For all I know, the "scientific community" is no more moral than the religious community. This is not proof of the god claim.
Goldtop
Registered Senior Member
Secularism. Statistically, it works far better than religious doctrines for getting people to behave using logic and reason.
God failed there, too.
(To grant you the greatest charity and overlook your oversimplification and dumbing down of social mechanisms ...) If you are trying to move away from dumbing down a problem by condensing it to mere parameters of obedience, I am not sure how this argument helps you.
There is nothing about the current state of mathematics that makes God either necessary or unnecessary ... unless we factor in your gig and self-appointed sincerity, your preemptive anticipation of the taste of pizza that you haven't even yet fathomed delivery of, etc etc.
Yet here you are, still chattering and not being struck by lightning.
Amazing innit?