Education: Right or Privilege?

Education is a...

  • right

    Votes: 14 63.6%

  • privilege

    Votes: 8 36.4%
  • Total voters
    22
Originally posted by jps
Making education free does not make it uncompetitive. Saying that everyone has the right to an education is not the same as saying everyone has the right to be succesfull in getting whatever degree they want, just that they have the right to try.
Weeding people out based on how much money their family has in no way gives a univesity a "competitive edge" and does not constitute a "talent elimination system"
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You are obviously clueless about real life. When you make higher education free you jeoperdize it's quality, because you eleminate all private funding. When it's publically funded, the government governs and dictates how the university behaves and the students and their needs and concerns are flushed down the toilet. In a private university, the university take the students in account in every move and could care less about the government. Also, it's competetive, because Universities can compete in being better so that they attract better students. If they are getting annual checks from the government, then what is the motivation in being better.....

Professors would become government employees with pension, they would have no motivation to publish or do research....how beautifull ...huh....there goes the education.
 
College really has become a joke though. It is like everyone wants to go there so they can party with their parents paying for it. I agree that there are some people there that have a good intention and everything, but there are a heck of alot more people that would rather party, then make a mature decision about studying hard and pursuing their dream...

Good professions that need a good education: Doctors, Lawyers, Computer field, Business managers, Stock Brokers....

Bad professions that do not need a higher education: Beer Drinkers, Weed manufacturers, Product testers(weed of course), strippers (don't think this requires a $40,000 education), ...The list goes on..
 
Flores,
You are obviously clueless about real life. When you make higher education free you jeoperdize it's quality, because you eleminate all private funding.
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I'm living in a country where higher education is effectively free (tuition fees are paid for and grants available). And from that perspective, your position is completely incorrect. See my earlier post if you would - you did ask me specifically to write it after all.
 
Originally posted by Flores
You are obviously clueless about real life. When you make higher education free you jeoperdize it's quality, because you eleminate all private funding. When it's publically funded, the government governs and dictates how the university behaves and the students and their needs and concerns are flushed down the toilet. In a private university, the university take the students in account in every move and could care less about the government. Also, it's competetive, because Universities can compete in being better so that they attract better students. If they are getting annual checks from the government, then what is the motivation in being better.....

Professors would become government employees with pension, they would have no motivation to publish or do research....how beautifull ...huh....there goes the education.
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There's no reason government funding has to equal government control. The CUNY system was free up through the seventies and didn't have problems with govt interference, just inadequate funding. As Sparks pointed out countries that have publicly funded higher education do not necessarilly suffer problems with educational quality. It seems the evidence from "real life" supports my postion.
 
Is education a right: yes, you can't really stop somebody from learning all humans do it.

Is a formal education a right: No, because to do that you take away the right of person to decide not to teach you.
 
Originally posted by Thaug
Is a formal education a right: No, because to do that you take away the right of person to decide not to teach you.
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That's a different problem!
Nobody "have to" teach. In fact, they generally do it because they like it (or sometimes for money). Anyway, you could have education through books (after high-school) even if it would be harder...
 
Originally posted by Thaug
Is education a right: yes, you can't really stop somebody from learning all humans do it.

Is a formal education a right: No, because to do that you take away the right of person to decide not to teach you.
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That would be fine if people were allowed to print out their own degrees and have them recognized.
 
Originally posted by Thaug
All a degree says is that you can pass a test.
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A degree is required for a great deal of jobs. If a degree is the standard that we use for measuring education(which i don't really think it should be but thats beside the point) then everyone must have a shot at getting one.
 
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