Drop All Religion And Start Worshipping God!
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The only thing that could be considered worthwhile with religions is that they do try to create order where they perceive there is none.
Some good ideas do come out of religions. I'd vote for keeping those things and dispense with the rest.
As for gods: Without a supporting political insfrastruture I suspect the bare idea of gods will vanish into mythology where it belongs.
Some good ideas do come out of religions. I'd vote for keeping those things and dispense with the rest.
As for gods: Without a supporting political insfrastruture I suspect the bare idea of gods will vanish into mythology where it belongs.
ConsequentAtheist
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Since you asked, I personally think that worshipping a rather sloppily evolved myth is silly to the point of being pathetic.
hmm. rather supportive responses...didn't think i would get that.
Yes but do you believe in a God?
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True, but are they always succesful?
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Yes but no. The way i percieve religion is that it is a bunch of Rules governing how you live, and how you should worship. In my religion there would be no rules, no guidance other than, worship how you want to within the rules of your country.
Yes but do you believe in a God?
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True, but are they always succesful?
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Yes but no. The way i percieve religion is that it is a bunch of Rules governing how you live, and how you should worship. In my religion there would be no rules, no guidance other than, worship how you want to within the rules of your country.
Why does religion have to oppose reason?? Surely u can believe in a god and worship it and still be a reasonable person.
do u mean that if something created all of this (the universe etc) then why would it need praising from us, mere nothings? Have to say that can any of us understand the universe!?? Can anyone explain what we are doing here?? No. So can anyone now explain to me what god is thinking!? None of us know the mind of god so maybe he does just want thanks for creating everything and most of all GIVING US LIFE.
Personally i think that if something did create all of this then it deserves praise. I mean, we only know the planet earth and look how wonderful that is (sounds cheesy i know lol.)
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What do u mean 'hold ceremony'? And there is not just 1 book that tells of him. There are loads (the qu'ran etc), a few at least. They all come from different contiments yet all document a supreme being!! Also, they (these books) are not the only ressurance of it. If u look u will notice him urself. Maybe u dont want to see him. Thats probably why u cant.
The constant rant of the religious: we can see something you can't, we know something you don't, we have something you don't have .... and on and on.
In your OPINION you do. But that's all it is: an OPINION. It's not a fact.
And please, drop the "maybe u don't want to see him" lines. "Want" is a word that only has relevancy to your belief that there is something that can be wanted - or not wanted. It's way out of the loop to consider "want" has any relevancy to the atheist stance.
well to be honest Macz, have u even truly, and objectively thought about god and the bible!?? U say im being arrogant but i want to ask u this. have u ever tried looking for god? i think the answer will be no and thats what i mean. U cant see him because u havent looked.
Another point. If u were around in jesus' times, and u went to the tomb and u saw he was gone, you would say someone tunelled in and removed the body (or something like that). if u were there when the seas parted for him u would say it was a coincidence. a staorm or something. If u saw him after he was dead and he rose into the sky u would assume that you hadnt had enough sleep right!? (u were hallucinating or something) At the end of the day there is nothing that could be shown to u to make u beleieve. U dont want to believe
Another point. If u were around in jesus' times, and u went to the tomb and u saw he was gone, you would say someone tunelled in and removed the body (or something like that). if u were there when the seas parted for him u would say it was a coincidence. a staorm or something. If u saw him after he was dead and he rose into the sky u would assume that you hadnt had enough sleep right!? (u were hallucinating or something) At the end of the day there is nothing that could be shown to u to make u beleieve. U dont want to believe
so ur saying that athiests havent even thought about god? that they havent made the choice to disbelieve.
Pete
You said worship. That means some sort of ceremonial practice. This includes prayer.
Actually there are two. Josephus's book and the bible. I'm not sure about the Qur'an. It refers to Abraham to be sure, but any resulting references that may occur in it are derivitive of the bible. In fact any book other than the two would have to be referencing the bible. That is not an alternate source. Only one continent/region could have had any direct exposure: the Middle East. Any literature that is original in eyewitness testimony would need to be from there. In any case there are only the two.
I have never seen Jesus. But then neither has the non-schizophrenic world. Jesus is either dead or he never existed. For these reasons only a liar or a nut could say he/she has seen this person.
Actually, this god thing was rather hard to avoid and in taking a look-see to see what all the fuss was about, I couldn't see anything. And that was that. End of story.
And in your continuing (presumptuous) theme of asking me questions and answering them for me, you go on to say:
Quite wrong. If and when there is indisputable proof that god exists, I will believe. In the meantime, as has been said already, the burden of proof is on you.
It is not a matter of not wanting to believe. If and when there is evidence, only then will it be relevant to talk about wanting or not wanting to believe it.
You can't quite grasp this point, can you? And quite frankly, I don't have the imagination to come up with a sufficiently simple way to explain this to you.
eeeerrrrrrr, no. u can worship with ur thoughts.
I was talking about god, not jesus.
of course it is!! I havent seen proof of god but i still believe. It took some faith on my part but i think it comes down to the fact that i want to believe. i never used to. ur not looking!!!!!!!
ConsequentAtheist
Registered Senior Member
Precisely. You choose myth and baseless superstition, a choice apparently driven by a frenetic need to believe. In fact, your Gods have no more substance than does the Greek Pantheon or the charming inhabitants of the Faerie Kingdom.
And you're not thinking - you're simply prosyletizing, and doing a remarkable inept job at it. If the God(s) did exist, they could only be highly displeased at the quality of your support.
p_ete2001
do u mean that if something created all of this (the universe etc) then why would it need praising from us, mere nothings?
Exactly. It's petty and suggests a low self-esteem; "Oooh. Look what I did!" Or perhaps a mean spirit; "I gave you this… and I can take it away too!" I just have a problem with this type of behavior in something as great as God would have to be. Sorry, I just don't get the demanding of worship… I believe this is a fabrication of man in order to control others, not a requirement of any God. Catholic service, in particular, always seemed like a game of Simon Says to me: "God says kneel." "God says stand." "God says genuflect." "Kneel." .... "Got you. I didn't say God says!"
None of us know the mind of god so maybe he does just want thanks for creating everything and most of all GIVING US LIFE.
Sure… and if it exists, it has my thanks, awe, and admiration but that's quite different from demanding praise and worship. Perhaps it should follow Jesus' advice. "Matthew 6:2
"So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
~Raithere
do u mean that if something created all of this (the universe etc) then why would it need praising from us, mere nothings?
Exactly. It's petty and suggests a low self-esteem; "Oooh. Look what I did!" Or perhaps a mean spirit; "I gave you this… and I can take it away too!" I just have a problem with this type of behavior in something as great as God would have to be. Sorry, I just don't get the demanding of worship… I believe this is a fabrication of man in order to control others, not a requirement of any God. Catholic service, in particular, always seemed like a game of Simon Says to me: "God says kneel." "God says stand." "God says genuflect." "Kneel." .... "Got you. I didn't say God says!"
None of us know the mind of god so maybe he does just want thanks for creating everything and most of all GIVING US LIFE.
Sure… and if it exists, it has my thanks, awe, and admiration but that's quite different from demanding praise and worship. Perhaps it should follow Jesus' advice. "Matthew 6:2
"So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.
~Raithere