Does the award for the greatest evil go to Satan or God?

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Does the award for the greatest evil go to Satan or God?

Many blame Satan for the evils of this world even as his power to deceive all of us comes from God.

As the creator of Satan, many think that God deserves the blame as he knew what Satan would be because God knows everything in advance.

What is the greatest evil you can think of and who do you think is to blame for it?

Who is the greatest sinner, Satan or God?

I lean toward God as scriptures name him the Alpha and Omega which to me means the best and the worse. Also, scriptures have God saying not to place any other above him and I would be going against this by placing Satan above him in the category of the most evil. I do not want to break the first commandment.

Do you dare by putting Satan above God?

Regards
DL
 
Satan is the son of God. God felt Satan. Its all about who loves the most. Satan loves this place, its just he's evil.
 
Greatest I am said:
Does the award for the greatest evil go to Satan or God?

Many blame Satan for the evils of this world even as his power to deceive all of us comes from God.

As the creator of Satan, many think that God deserves the blame as he knew what Satan would be because God knows everything in advance.

What is the greatest evil you can think of and who do you think is to blame for it?

Who is the greatest sinner, Satan or God?

I lean toward God as scriptures name him the Alpha and Omega which to me means the best and the worse. Also, scriptures have God saying not to place any other above him and I would be going against this by placing Satan above him in the category of the most evil. I do not want to break the first commandment.

Do you dare by putting Satan above God?

Regards
DL
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"alpha and omega" means "the best and the worst"?
:shrug:

Once again you are just on some sort of cerebral trip that bears no connection to the scripture you claim to be reading
 
Ya, I have checked your link, Lightgigantic. Greatest I Am is putting same thread repeatedly in other forum sites.
 
murdoch said:
Ya, I have checked your link, Lightgigantic. Greatest I Am is putting same thread repeatedly in other forum sites.
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actually he does it on every single thread he ever posts here

I remember one time I simply copy pasted responses to his spam from other sites and he didn't even notice
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How can imaginary creatures be more or less evil? I mean, yeah, the Baron Harkonen was "evil", but the question seems to presuppose their actual existence and the harm that they subsequently caused. Since all "evil" is from the mind and actions of human beings, the award goes to: Us.

~String
 
superstring01 said:
How can imaginary creatures be more or less evil? I mean, yeah, the Baron Harkonen was "evil", but the question seems to presuppose their actual existence and the harm that they subsequently caused. Since all "evil" is from the mind and actions of human beings, the award goes to: Us.

~String
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I'm not imaginary. I claim likeness to a angel. If I believe I am who I am, making me that man, then is there a man who believes he's Satan, thus making him that man? I say yay.
 
superstring01 said:
How can imaginary creatures be more or less evil? I mean, yeah, the Baron Harkonen was "evil", but the question seems to presuppose their actual existence and the harm that they subsequently caused. Since all "evil" is from the mind and actions of human beings, the award goes to: Us.

~String
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I don't agree. Within the context of the fictional universe they inhabited, the Baron Harkonen was certainly more evil than, say, Dr. Wellington Yueh. Stories are often written for the express purpose of teaching concepts such as good and evil.

Furthermore, since the written word is essentially the physical manifestation of human thought, if evil can exist in our minds, it can exist in our writing.
 
Greatest I am said:
Does the award for the greatest evil go to Satan or God?
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I'm not a believer in any of the Semitic religions, so the 'God' and 'Satan' characters don't feature very prominently in my religious thinking. I don't believe that either of them literally exist.

But it's certainly possible to think about this stuff in the literary way that Madanthonywayne suggests, as fictional characters engaging in imaginary actions. We can still form opinions about the morality of those actions.

Seen that way, I have to say that my sympathy has always been as much with Satan as with God.

According to some versions of these religious myths, God is the creator and master of hell. We are told that God tortures people unspeakably for eternity, with no ear for their cries for mercy, and no heed for their spiritual evolution after they have been condemned to hell. The concept of hell totally discredits any claims for the morality of the God-character in my opinion.

And Satan is the one who stands up to this monster and has the incredible courage to say 'No!' to omnipotent power when it needs to be said.

Satan knows that God is incomparably more powerful than he is. Satan knows that his challenge will eventually fail and that he will inevitably be struck down for his disloyalty and will no doubt be tortured forever, with no possible hope of escape.

But Satan has a conscience, he has a heart that he can't ignore. He can't just sit there singing hosannas to a monster, he has to stand up for what's right, whatever the cost to himself.

Reinterpreted in that way, Satan becomes the most noble and admirable character in the whole story.
 
madanthonywayne said:
I don't agree. Within the context of the fictional universe they inhabited, the Baron Harkonen was certainly more evil than, say, Dr. Wellington Yueh. Stories are often written for the express purpose of teaching concepts such as good and evil.

Furthermore, since the written word is essentially the physical manifestation of human thought, if evil can exist in our minds, it can exist in our writing.
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Wait. You circuitously ended up agreeing with me.

~String
 
superstring01 said:
How can imaginary creatures be more or less evil?
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Hypothetically. We can easily imagine what our moral judgements would have been had fictional acts been real acts. That's what's happening in much of fictional literature. Authors insert their imaginary characters into difficult and ambiguous imaginary situations, and then explore their motivations and moral judgements in those circumstances.

Since all "evil" is from the mind and actions of human beings, the award goes to: Us.
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The tendency to blame ourselves for everything that's wrong is a crypto-Christian tendency. Historically, it derives from the idea of the 'fallenness' of man and of man's essential depravity. (That's another imaginary story in my opinion, but the story has obvious moral implications.)

I much prefer humanist optimism about the dignity, value and potential powers of man. (Another story, but this one's a lot less depressing.)
 
Yazata said:
I much prefer humanist optimism about the dignity, value and potential powers of man.
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As a secular humanist (not a member of the Church of Humanism), I agree.

But that doesn't negate that humans have, and have demonstrated, the capacity for great evil.

~String
 
sideshowbob said:
Sin is generally defined as violation of God's law, so God can't be a sinner. (Presumably, He exempts Himself much like human govrnments exempt themselves in time of war, etc.)
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Do as I say and not as I do is a rather evil policy.

God would be the most evil then.

Regards
DL
 
lightgigantic said:
"alpha and omega" means "the best and the worst"?
:shrug:

Once again you are just on some sort of cerebral trip that bears no connection to the scripture you claim to be reading
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Google the saying and see otherwise.
Or do I have to do your thinking for you?

Regards
DL
 
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