Does Murphy's law apply to God?
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Enmos
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sowhatifit'sdark
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Nah. Never make God a victim.
??? What???
Wouldn't God also have made Murphy?
sowhatifit'sdark
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Oh Adam and Eve rebelled and God had to do this or that. Or Jesus died for our sins. Or rebel angels being cast out of heaven. I mean really. Could have just sat them down and been an infinitely compelling counselor. The Bible is riddled with God getting pissed off or not listened to and doing this or that. The most sensitive all powerful deity imaginable. Casting Adam and Eve out of the Garden because they betrayed him and he can't trust them. Please.
God was perfect and they went wrong. Poor God. It's like he made a perfect painting and then some kid came and peed on it. Except here the painter is an all powerful deity. Please.
Sometimes I think the Bible was written for people under opression.
We spoke earlier, elsewhere about how when a person is under constant psychological or physical durress, they develop beliefs about themselves and the world that would normally seem counterproductive to self-preservation, but that in those circumstances of durress ensure self-preservation.
Beliefs that one is worthless, completely at the mercy of some external power, shouldn't stand up for oneself etc. Under constant durress, it actually makes sense to believe such, because any positive, self-affirming belief would, in the situation of constant durress, be misplaced and impossible to live up to, and thus holding such positive beliefs would only cause additional strain.
But when the durress, for whatever reason, ceases, those beliefs formed under durress don't apply anymore, become redundant and counterproductive.
sowhatifit'sdark
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This is not really what I believe but a related interpretation could be that the biblical interpretation was to some degree correct because that is what they needed at the time. For example in the OT times, given the relations with other groups in the region and in the OT at the beginning of a minority religion under a colonialist power.
Perhaps it says it in the Bible, but I don't remember anything about
follow these rules forever.
Of course God did make the mistake of writing in stone and producing the metaphor that goes with it, if all I suggested is true.
Gutta cavat lapidem non bis, sed saepe cadendo: sic homo fit sapiens non bis, sed saepe legendo.
Come to think of it - if God is the One Original Supreme Cause, then this is God's doing too.
I think there is a God exemption in Murphy's Law.
sowhatifit'sdark
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That does not fit with my experience. I think it is very similar to the child worshipping Daddy who seems infallible, etc. That is more comfortable and the child tends to deny evidence that Daddy makes mistakes, even when it comes to horrible acts there is a tendency to try to find an alternate explanation - Mommy shouldn't have talked to him then, I must have asked for it somehow, etc.
It is completely knee jerk to assume that God must be perfect. See if you can actually consider the idea of a fallible God for a time. What would it mean? Does it seem to fit in some way? What scares me about the idea? Why am I so sure he must be perfect?
Entropy and Murphy
Isn't Murphy's Law just a consequence of a restatement of the Law of Entropy.
"Everything tends toward disorder in the natural world"
But humans want [and in fact need] order to survive.
We build buildings to protect us from the elements, invent agriculture to insure a continued supply of nourishment, etc, etc.
So the fact that "anything that can go wrong will go wrong" is just a restatement of the problem of dealing with the reality of The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics ..... Entropy"
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Isn't Murphy's Law just a consequence of a restatement of the Law of Entropy.
"Everything tends toward disorder in the natural world"
But humans want [and in fact need] order to survive.
We build buildings to protect us from the elements, invent agriculture to insure a continued supply of nourishment, etc, etc.
So the fact that "anything that can go wrong will go wrong" is just a restatement of the problem of dealing with the reality of The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics ..... Entropy"
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Enmos
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Enmos asuming that wasnt aimed at me your right. Its the only reason i read his stuff because its not as interesting as prachett, or eddings. Its quite stock standed fantasy but his philosophe is interesting if the other authors dont have anything new out
your right. Its the only reason i read his stuff because its not as interesting as prachett, or eddings. Its quite stock standed fantasy but his philosophe is interesting if the other authors dont have anything new out
Great Thread Sys...
"If one considers for a moment that out of all the alternatives we face every moment of our lives only one is the one we shall take and leave behind an infinite variation of alternatives behind us....and if we assume that that one alternative we take is the only correct one in a sea of mistaken paths, then it is obviously really easy to see how Murphies law could come to play in even "Gods handiwork..."
"If you are going to make a mistake or if you are vulnerable to making a mistake, then a mistake you shall make..."
The other point I wished to add was that:
Prefection could be described in the imperfection...that is to say "perfectly imperfect" could be a valid statement. "It is the imperfection deliberately built in to a system that can allow that system to avoid enue and catastophic boredom"
It is often said after all that it is the imperfection and asymmetry [organic symmetry] of the human body especially the human face that makes it so interesting and that to create a perfection in harmony would effectively mean oblivion.....
0=0 but "1 can never equal "1 in 3 dimensional space [ another debate and another topic I am sure]. Zero however can equal zero, in fact it must equal zero in 3 dimensional space.
Again great question Sys
"If one considers for a moment that out of all the alternatives we face every moment of our lives only one is the one we shall take and leave behind an infinite variation of alternatives behind us....and if we assume that that one alternative we take is the only correct one in a sea of mistaken paths, then it is obviously really easy to see how Murphies law could come to play in even "Gods handiwork..."
"If you are going to make a mistake or if you are vulnerable to making a mistake, then a mistake you shall make..."
The other point I wished to add was that:
Prefection could be described in the imperfection...that is to say "perfectly imperfect" could be a valid statement. "It is the imperfection deliberately built in to a system that can allow that system to avoid enue and catastophic boredom"
It is often said after all that it is the imperfection and asymmetry [organic symmetry] of the human body especially the human face that makes it so interesting and that to create a perfection in harmony would effectively mean oblivion.....
0=0 but "1 can never equal "1 in 3 dimensional space [ another debate and another topic I am sure]. Zero however can equal zero, in fact it must equal zero in 3 dimensional space.
Again great question Sys