Does Murphy's law apply to God?

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Syzygys

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I am posting this here, because it is more of a philosophical/logical problem, than a religious one...

So if according to Murphy "anything that can go wrong, will do", then it should apply to god, the creation, the world too.

Well, we have a few things screwed up in life, so I guess the answer is yes...
 
Sure, why not.
The monotheists have a very hard time with the idea of a God that made mistakes, took a wrong turn - with some potential Jewish exceptions (I think there were a few attempts at making the first humans there).

But pagans and earth based religions have often had some flexibility there.

It seems obvious that something took a wrong turning somewhere.

Why not a fallible God or gods?

This also avoids all the stupid 'stone he can't lift' and 'problem of evil' LOGICAL discussions that everyone should be embarrassed by.

What if this universe has been the results of a God or gods who have made mistakes and had confusions and is/are learning?
 
I really like this one:

One variant (known as O'Toole's Corollary of Finagle's Law) favored among hackers is a takeoff on the second law of thermodynamics (also known as entropy):

The perversity of the Universe tends towards a maximum.

Now if we throw in Peter's principle of: "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence."

Then the gods must be the most incompetent employees/bosses....
 
Nope. Its all perfect how it is! When god screws up brilliant perfect things happen. God can't make any mistakes, there are no mistakes to be made. They are just places we visit because we don't know where we are going.
 
If I were to believe in God, it would be only in a God whom I would consider an admirable friend.
 
redarmy11 said:
I mean fallible. Absent-minded, maybe. Putting stuff down, then forgetting where he left it. That kind of thing.
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I see! What if its a branching system, and the closer to the trunk the more flawless, though the branches extend out it fallible realities until they simply break down altogether and the branch is at its end?
 
Jozen-Bo said:
I see! What if its a branching system, and the closer to the trunk the more flawless, though the branches extend out it fallible realities until they simply break down altogether and the branch is at its end?
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I'd be one of the leaves on the ground, looking up enviously at all the other leaves enjoying themselves and cursing the trunk for denying me the sustenance to go on.
 
redarmy11 said:
I'd be one of the leaves on the ground, looking up enviously at all the other leaves enjoying themselves and cursing the trunk for denying me the sustenance to go on.
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Maybe in this moment we are all leaves. Or maybe seeds?
 
redarmy11 said:
I'd be one of the leaves on the ground, looking up enviously at all the other leaves enjoying themselves and cursing the trunk for denying me the sustenance to go on.
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Some religion scathed you, didn't it?
 
redarmy11 said:
No, no, I've always been in want of faith. I was just extending the metaphor.
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Oh.
You mean you've envied those who had faith, you've felt like you weren't one of them nor thought you could become one of them?

If yes - do you know how come you've felt/thought this way?


BTW, I relate to this - envying other their faith.

Please bear with my questions, I'd like to see how such feelings influence expectations about God and faith.
 
greenberg said:
Oh.
You mean you've envied those who had faith, you've felt like you weren't one of them nor thought you could become one of them?

If yes - do you know how come you've felt/thought this way?


BTW, I relate to this - envying other their faith.

Please bear with my questions, I'd like to see how such feelings influence expectations about God and faith.
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I think you're reading too much into this, greenberg. It was just a throwaway response to a fairly bizarre metaphor, but...
If yes - do you know how come you've felt/thought this way?
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I suppose thinking about it would be nice to feel that, when the lights here all go out, life eternal awaits.

But, I don't feel that (and it is a feeling, an intuition, more than anything, which is why I feel all these endless 'intellectual' debates on it are boring and pointless)... and I'm comfortable with it, so any jealousy is fleeting.

Not much more to say, really (and I have to go soon, so not much time to say it..).
 
redarmy11 said:
any jealousy is fleeting.
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And so are other feelings, needs etc. They come and they go.
I think this is one of the reasons why it's difficult to believe in a God who has a fixed, static personality - sure, sometimes, like when one is pissed off with someone over some injustice, it can feel okay to believe in a wrathful fire and brimstone God. But when one wakes up on a beautiful sunny Sunday morning, happy to be alive, breathing in the fresh air, the thought of a fire and brimstone God is disturbing, to say the least.
 
greenberg said:
And so are other feelings, needs etc. They come and they go.
I think this is one of the reasons why it's difficult to believe in a God who has a fixed, static personality - sure, sometimes, like when one is pissed off with someone over some injustice, it can feel okay to believe in a wrathful fire and brimstone God. But when one wakes up on a beautiful sunny Sunday morning, happy to be alive, breathing in the fresh air, the thought of a fire and brimstone God is disturbing, to say the least.
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God made the air. He also made Sunday mornings (but not on a Sunday, obviously - that would be silly, sacriligeous and impossible).
 
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