Does God Believe in Einstein?

Then why even argue it with such passion? Who the hell cares? Does this somehow prove God if he did or disprove if he didnt? I seriously doubt it ... he's a scientist... not a theologian... you might as well say "Einstein said flowers can be planted in oil and they will grow" ... altho this is obviously untrue, just becuase he said it doesnt mean anything... he isnt a gardener
 
Dravyga said:
Just some theist trying to take advantage of einstein's fame and some atheist who try to correct the lies.
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M*W: Einstein may have existed at a period of time in history, but he no longer exists.
 
Dravyga said:
Just some theist trying to take advantage of einstein's fame and some atheist who try to correct the lies.
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The problem is that the lies have been spread by Einstein himself. Everything we know about Einstein implies he was an atheist, but somehow he didn't seem comfortable with his position and kept pretending he had some sort of religion.

Of course the problem with Einstein is that he had religious feelings but did not know what to do with them. He may have been very smart, but he was not profound.
 
Confutatis said:
The problem is that the lies have been spread by Einstein himself. Everything we know about Einstein implies he was an atheist, but somehow he didn't seem comfortable with his position and kept pretending he had some sort of religion.

Of course the problem with Einstein is that he had religious feelings but did not know what to do with them. He may have been very smart, but he was not profound.
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I agree with you there Confutatis. His views on religion were complex and almost self-contradictory. I think he had a felt religious sense of a "rationality" behind the universe, but despised formal religion - especially a personal God. He was not a theist, and he was not an atheist. I don't see him as an agnostic either. I'm sure he would have delighted in not being easy to place.

Provita said:
Why does it matter if Einstein believed in God (just wondering) ?
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I think that is a very good question Provita. I think my own interest in him is that he illustrates someone who had strong religious feelings, but rejected any metaphysical considerations. His was almost a state of proto-religion.

"To see a world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour." Blake
 
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provita said:
Why does it matter if Einstein believed in God (just wondering) ?
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Atheists consider Einstein a God, so if Einstein believed in God, he wasn't a God, and Atheists must convert to Christianity.
 
c7ityi_ said:
Atheists consider Einstein a God, so if Einstein believed in God, he wasn't a God, and Atheists must convert to Christianity.
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c7ityi_ said:
Atheists consider Einstein a God, so if Einstein believed in God, he wasn't a God, and Atheists must convert to Christianity.
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LOL, nice one c7ityi! :D

Medicine Woman said:
M*W: I'm an atheist.... It is impossible for an atheist to convert to christianity. Anyone who says they did is lying.
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I think the evidence is against you M*W! William James, writing as a psychologist in Varieties of Religious Experience describes and summarises the conversion experiences of many different people. Quote from Lecture X...

The characteristics of the affective experience which, to avoid ambiguity, should, I think, be called the state of assurance rather than the faith-state, can be easily enumerated, though it is probably difficult to realize their intensity, unless one has been through the experience one's self.

The central one is the loss of all the worry, the sense that all is ultimately well with one, the peace, the harmony, the willingness to be, even though the outer conditions should remain the same. The certainty of God's 'grace,' of 'justification,' 'salvation,' is an objective belief that usually accompanies the change in Christians; but this may be entirely lacking and yet the affective peace remain the same--you will recollect the case of the Oxford graduate: and many might be given where the assurance of personal salvation was only a later result. A passion of willingness, of acquiescence, of admiration, is the glowing centre of this state of mind.

The second feature is the sense of perceiving truths not known before. The mysteries of life become lucid, as Professor Leuba says; and often, nay usually, the solution is more or less unutterable in words. But these more intellectual phenomena may be postponed until we treat of mysticism.

A third peculiarity of the assurance state is the objective change which the world often appears to undergo. 'An appearance of newness beautifies every object,' the precise opposite of that other sort of newness, that dreadful unreality and strangeness in the appearance of the world, which is experienced by melancholy patients, and of which you may recall my relating some examples. This sense of clean and beautiful newness within and without one is one of the commonest entries in conversion records....
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C.S. Lewis was a prominent former atheist - in "Surprised by Joy" (from Wikipedia)...

The book's last two chapters cover the end of his search as he makes the leap from atheism to theism and then from theism to Christianity. Lewis ultimately discovers the true nature and purpose of Joy and its place in his own life.
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Whatever you believe they are, conversion experiences happen. They can go both ways!
 
Medicine Woman said:
It is impossible for an atheist to convert to christianity. Anyone who says they did is lying.
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Atheists love this kind of reasoning. They accept some notion as true, and when confronted with evidence to the contrary, instead of rejecting the notion they reject the evidence. And then they call themselves objective, pat each other on the back for being so smart, and go on mocking everyone else for believing what they see.

All I can do is shake my head. And take cheap shots at them, for the fun of it :)
 
Confutatis said:
The problem is that the lies have been spread by Einstein himself. Everything we know about Einstein implies he was an atheist, but somehow he didn't seem comfortable with his position and kept pretending he had some sort of religion.

Of course the problem with Einstein is that he had religious feelings but did not know what to do with them. He may have been very smart, but he was not profound.
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Or, more precisely, he had to tippy-toe on pins and needles around delusional theists so as not to damage their fragile egos.
 
thedevilsreject said:
yes there are lots of stories of people converting M*W
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M*W: But there are fewer atheists converting backwards than forwards! An atheist cannot go back. It's just an impossibility.
 
Medicine Woman said:
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M*W: But there are fewer atheists converting backwards than forwards! An atheist cannot go back. It's just an impossibility.
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Why is it impossible M*W? Maybe you feel it's impossible for you, but you are not everybody. People have very different life stories.

(Q) said:
Or, more precisely, he had to tippy-toe on pins and needles around delusional theists so as not to damage their fragile egos.
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Pots and kettles spring suddenly to mind... ;)
 
Medicine Woman said:
But there are fewer atheists converting backwards than forwards! An atheist cannot go back. It's just an impossibility.
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Believer or skeptic, everyone is grasping at straws to keep their philosophies intact. How pathetic. :(
 
an atheist convert to theism is impossible, that's asking us to believe they've gone from the rational to the irrational, this can and does only, happen when someone has had some kind of physical or mental trauma, or is a drug user.
atheism is what you are, before the religious indoctrination as child( the child abuse), the mind virus, has taken hold, whether, you've either rediscovered common sense, or had been lucky and never recieved the virus, as an adult you would never become religious, unless your druged up or have brain damage.
it's just not feasible.
 
Believer or skeptic, everyone is grasping at straws to keep their philosophies intact. How pathetic.
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I'm not grasping at strwas, my stance is solid. That's why I chose the name GODLESS!.

Energy is greater than god, without energy god is non existent, with out energy god wouldn't be able to create a damn thing, without energy god can't survie if "it" exists. Energy supersedes any notion that a theist, has about god. Energy is supreme ruller of all.

Godless
 
an atheist convert to theism is impossible, that's asking us to believe they've gone from the rational to the irrational, this can and does only, happen when someone has had some kind of physical or mental trauma, or is a drug user.
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Not always the case Geeser. I was a drug user and became atheist. ;)

I find that every one perhaps has a turning point. For an elder atheist, his turning point may be old age, and fear of dying. So he may turn irrational, to suppress his fears, and believe that he may continue if he just believes in a supreme diety. Who knows fear is one of the strongest emotions there is, and it makes many do irratianol behaviors.

Godless
 
Confutatis said:
Atheists love this kind of reasoning. They accept some notion as true, and when confronted with evidence to the contrary, instead of rejecting the notion they reject the evidence.
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Not surprisingly, there wasn't much in regards to atheist deconversion aside from what I found on the link below - Christian websites had nothing, and you'd expect, at the very least, they'd headline a story like that. I'm skeptical, but not so much to state it isn't possible for atheists to convert to Christianity, religiously, faithfully, irrationally... it's just highly improbable and specious at best.

http://humanknowledge.net/Philosophy/Metaphysics/Theology/AtheistDeconversion.html

All I can do is shake my head. And take cheap shots at them, for the fun of it :)
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Now, if only you could take a shot as well as you volley them, you'd actually be fun.
 
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