Enmos
Valued Senior Member
What is relative about that ? "1" is an absolute quantity. "Half" is the relative bit..
Does 0+0=0?
- Thread starter John J. Bannan
- Start date
What is relative about that ? "1" is an absolute quantity. "Half" is the relative bit..
John J. Bannan
Registered Senior Member
James,
I do have a question of my own..
0[sup]0[/sup] != 0*0 :shrug:
Edit: Duh.. never mind. Of course 0[sup]0[/sup] != 0[sup]2[/sup]
Edit2: I was momentarily confused because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_product
I believe this may lie at the heart of Johns confusion as well.
I don't disagree that 0+0=0. What's your point? My point was that zero also equals an infinite number of zeros added together. However, I am using 0+0=0 as an analogy to the real world, and saying that nothingness can also exist as multiple nothingnesses. Multiple nothingnesses collide and lead to somethingness. I am also saying that an infinitely small number added to itself an infinite number of times leads to the smallest number possible, because the infinities cancel eachother out. Thus, by analogy I am suggesting that if an infinitely small number is equal to zero, but it is added to itself an infinite number of times (i.e. infinite zeros added to themselves), you get the smallest number possible that is not zero - and consequently by analogy multiple nothingnesses can create something besides Zero.
John J. Bannan
Registered Senior Member
Well, although a point doesn't have dimensional size, it does have relative size in relationship to other points. In other words, 1 doesn't have size, but it does exist at a certain distance from 2. Therefore, there is a difference in relative position between 1 and 2. That is, in relative position to zero, 1 is half the distance toward zero than 2.
John J. Bannan
Registered Senior Member
No, zero doesn't have physical size. But zero does have relative size. Zero is half the distance from -1 than 1. Zero has relative size to 1 and -1.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
And what is that size if I may ask ?
John J. Bannan
Registered Senior Member
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
Half the distance between 1 and -1, of course.Or, (1+-1)/2=0
Man, you are making no sense..
I'll leave you to it if you don't mind.
I think James point was that "Numbers" are just that. i.e. 1,2,3,4
None of those numbers are Infinite.
Infinity is a term for an every increasing roof to a number field, the number therefore is never the same but constantly evolving to a number higher up. Therefore a number is not infinite, the number of numbers is however.
I'm with Bannan on this one.
It means I can bake a cake, eat 100% of it, and still share it with two other friends.
100% + 0% + 0% = 100%
It means I didn't give them "nothing" -- rather, I gave them "two nothings".
All I need to do is take two slices from my cake that have 0 size, and put them on plates. Of course, the trick is finding a knife capable of breaching the surface of the cake whilst cutting a 0 sized slice :scratchin:
It means I can bake a cake, eat 100% of it, and still share it with two other friends.
100% + 0% + 0% = 100%
It means I didn't give them "nothing" -- rather, I gave them "two nothings".
All I need to do is take two slices from my cake that have 0 size, and put them on plates. Of course, the trick is finding a knife capable of breaching the surface of the cake whilst cutting a 0 sized slice :scratchin:
Last edited:
John J. Bannan
Registered Senior Member
How is this non-sensical? This is basic math. On a line that goes from 1 to -1, the mid-point is zero. Remember the number line from grade school?
1_____________0_____________-1. Of course, zero is half the distance from 1 to -1. You can see that pretty clearly, can't you?
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
So the relative size of 0 is 1 ?? What hell are you trying to say ?
I have decided that talking to John on this subject is a complete waste of time. He does not understand what is being said to him and he is clearly not interested in educating himself, something which would enable him to realize that his posts are nonsense.A hopeless case.
I hear Ginsu knives are capable of making some pretty fine slices, perhaps you can try that? If not, I hear Chuck Norris can do it. He can do anything!
I hear Ginsu knives are capable of making some pretty fine slices, perhaps you can try that? If not, I hear Chuck Norris can do it. He can do anything!
Try reading "The Magician in the Kitchen ", subtitled "How to Slice the Salami " available at all fine bookstores in your neighbourhood. I tried Amazon but their stock was 0. When it reaches 00 they will send me one.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
I hear Ginsu knives are capable of making some pretty fine slices, perhaps you can try that? If not, I hear Chuck Norris can do it. He can do anything!
Agreed. It would be totally possible to extract a zero sized slice of cake using an ginsu knife -just As long as the blade is made out of a serrated number line.
I can suggest an easier way. Leave the cake intact.
John J. Bannan
Registered Senior Member
No, the relative size of zero is half the distance from 1 to -1.
John J. Bannan
Registered Senior Member
Why don't you make a valid point regarding hyperreal numbers for a change?