Do you sin against God or man?

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Do you sin against God or man?

I saw this video and did not agree with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKwWZ2no8tk&feature=channel_page

If I sin, I think I sin against another human. Not against God. Against his law of course, or to be more specific, against the laws that men have attributed to God, but not against God.

This clip ignores the human victim altogether as if the victim has no right to feel offended and also have no responsibility to forgive the offender.

I find it rather droll that we are supposed to see God as the victim of all our sins.

If you were to visualize, for instance, God being the victim of all Gay sins, well you see what I mean.
Rather a startling picture right?

Sin also brings up the topic of forgiveness.

If you or I forgive a sin done against us, is there any reason for the sinner to kowtow to God for more forgiveness?
The sin, once forgiven by you or I is, well, forgiven. What exactly is God forgiving. The sin has been annulled by our forgiveness so God forgiving it is rather superfluous and in reality, if at the pearly gates, God were to seek to punish a forgiven sin then one could make a case that God is unjust.

Is God sticking his nose where it is not required in the case of saying we sin against him and in our seeking forgiveness for a forgiven sin?

Regards
DL
 
not sure why you can't encompass a wider context for wrong doing - for instance a wrong doing against a black man can be seen not only as a crime against the individual but also the black community in general - in the same fashion, all sins against individuals in this world are performed out of an initial offense at the feet of god, namely an inflated sense of proprietorship based in false ego (commonly we call it greed, wrath, etc)

Of course you have a habit of going on about god being similarly afflicted by such faults, but in all cases you fail to factor in that god actually is the proprietor
 
lightgigantic said:
not sure why you can't encompass a wider context for wrong doing - for instance a wrong doing against a black man can be seen not only as a crime against the individual but also the black community in general - in the same fashion, all sins against individuals in this world are performed out of an initial offense at the feet of god, namely an inflated sense of proprietorship based in false ego (commonly we call it greed, wrath, etc)

Of course you have a habit of going on about god being similarly afflicted by such faults, but in all cases you fail to factor in that god actually is the proprietor
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Only to those with their head firmly implante up his ass.

Think of all the things that a real proprietor does.

Does God do any of these things?

No.

If yes, show where.

Regards
DL
 
imo humanity and everything else is a part of god and/or a manifestation of god. to further lg's point, to sin against one man is to sin against the whole. everything is connected, and any one action can not be isolated; the effects of one action go on, and on, and on, in a ripple effect.
 
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Greatest I am said:
Only to those with their head firmly implante up his ass.

Think of all the things that a real proprietor does.

Does God do any of these things?

No.

If yes, show where.

Regards
DL
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Not sure what specific arguments you are offering to suggest that god doesn't act like a proprietor, but from your other posts I am almost certain that your ideas are more like god as a mere facilitator to our exploits (which is certainly a "head firmly planted up one's ass" way to think of god from the onset)
 
I find that video offensive..

it is an attempt for them to put themselves in a position of authority over ppl..IE we know more about god then you ,come to us, let us tell you what god wants you to do..they teach 'do as your told'..

'do as your told' makes it a human thing..
there is more to God than any one can know.
 
Greatest I am said:
Is God sticking his nose where it is not required in the case of saying we sin against him and in our seeking forgiveness for a forgiven sin?

Regards
DL
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why don't you ask god this question? it's clear to me that you seek no interaction, and therefore have had no interaction, with god on a spiritual level, which imo, is a way to judge god without knowing a thing about it.

do you think that's clever?
 
I think I'll give the same answer.

In layman terms:
God owns everyone- you sinning against his property is a sin against Him (as well as the person whom you directly sinned against)

Peace be unto you ;)
 
Greatest I am said:
Do you sin against God or man?
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I don't believe that I've ever committed a sin. That's because the category of 'sin' doesn't really enter into my thinking or worldview.

That's not to say that I haven't done many things that I'm ashamed of and think are morally wrong. I've probably done even more things that I consider 'unskillful' in a religious sense. I've even done a few things that might be judged crimes and torts in criminal and civil law.

If I sin, I think I sin against another human. Not against God. Against his law of course, or to be more specific, against the laws that men have attributed to God, but not against God.
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I think that historically, in ancient Hebrew tradition, a 'sin' was a transgression against God. In general, the ancients tried to subsume their conventional human ethics under the heading of God's will and commands, making God/the gods the originator and guarantor of ethics. So they would interpret crimes and injustices against other people as if they were simulaneously (and more importantly) crimes against the divine will and ordinances.

And in its Hebrew variant, the idea of 'sin' extended far beyond what we think of today as ethics. It included ritual law that was intended to maintain the Hebrews' supposed ritual purity and separation from all other peoples. Violation of all sorts of seemingly arbitrary customs (defining things such as which foods to eat or how menstruating women were to be treated) were seen as transgression against God's desire that the Hebrews maintain themselves holy and apart.

The Hebrews' odd religious laws may have been derived from the customs traditionally practiced by priests in surrounding cultures, making those heirophants ritually pure enough to be able to perform the solemn rituals in the temples. The Hebrews seem to have imagined themselves as a nation of priests, occupying the priestly role of interceding with God and performing his sacrifices for the entire human race.
 
Yazata said:
The Hebrews' odd religious laws may have been derived from the customs traditionally practiced by priests in surrounding cultures,
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there is talk of religious rituals being carried over from pagan rituals, (like the lords supper)..
I don't believe that I've ever committed a sin.
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if your human, you have sinned..
 
Christians invented the concept of sin, they get to define it as they wish. That's why it amazes me when people question when preachers call things like homosexuality a sin. They don't have a choice about it.
 
spidergoat said:
Christians invented the concept of sin, they get to define it as they wish. That's why it amazes me when people question when preachers call things like homosexuality a sin. They don't have a choice about it.
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The concept of "sin" is as old as religion which is far older than christianity.

Few christians obey everything that is in the bible especially the old testament. Mostly they pick and choose.
 
I think that's probably due to Christian translators interpreting foreign concepts in terms they could understand. Sin means a very specific thing in Christianity.
 
spidergoat said:
I think that's probably due to Christian translators interpreting foreign concepts in terms they could understand. Sin means a very specific thing in Christianity.
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its not so high tech

If its given that you have a supreme personality, it's also a given that you have a code or at least general direction for things to head towards
 
Lori_7 said:
imo humanity and everything else is a part of god and/or a manifestation of god. to further lg's point, to sin against one man is to sin against the whole. everything is connected, and any one action can not be isolated; the effects of one action go on, and on, and on, in a ripple effect.
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Wow. We must be ever so important to the universe.

Regards
DL
 
lightgigantic said:
Not sure what specific arguments you are offering to suggest that god doesn't act like a proprietor, but from your other posts I am almost certain that your ideas are more like god as a mere facilitator to our exploits (which is certainly a "head firmly planted up one's ass" way to think of god from the onset)
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Not sure what specific arguments you are offering to suggest that God does act like a proprietor. Show any of the things he does. No imagination here. Facts please.

Regards
DL
 
NMSquirrel said:
I find that video offensive..

it is an attempt for them to put themselves in a position of authority over ppl..IE we know more about god then you ,come to us, let us tell you what god wants you to do..they teach 'do as your told'..

'do as your told' makes it a human thing..
there is more to God than any one can know.
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And if he ever shows his face, we might learn of some of these wonderful aspects.

Waiting. Waiting. Wai--------

Regards
DL
 
Lori_7 said:
why don't you ask god this question? it's clear to me that you seek no interaction, and therefore have had no interaction, with god on a spiritual level, which imo, is a way to judge god without knowing a thing about it.

do you think that's clever?
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How droll.

I have admitted to apotheosis while you have not.

Regards
DL
 
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