Being on a reality TV show. Arguing with a fundamentalist.
This isn't stupid, it's just entertainment.
Horses for courses...I see reality TV shows as a way to induce biliousness and vomiting.
Being on a reality TV show. Arguing with a fundamentalist.
This isn't stupid, it's just entertainment.
@garbonzo - quote "Why is it not immoral? Do you believe this is right behavior? If not, it is by definition, immoral." unquote -
Where in this definition does it state that if something is not "right behavior" that "it is by definition, immoral"?
definition of "immoral" from : http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immoral
im·mor·al adjective \(ˌ)i(m)-ˈmȯr-əl, -ˈmär-\
: not morally good or right : morally evil or wrong
Full Definition of IMMORAL
: not moral; broadly : conflicting with generally or traditionally held moral principles
— im·mor·al·ly adverb
Examples of IMMORAL
Don't condemn her: there was nothing immoral about what she did.
It was immoral of her to tell lies like that.
First Known Use of IMMORAL
1660
Related to IMMORAL
Synonyms
black, dark, evil, bad, iniquitous, nefarious, rotten, sinful, unethical, unlawful, unrighteous, unsavory, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrong
Antonyms
decent, ethical, good, honest, honorable, just, moral, right, righteous, sublime, upright, virtuous
Related Words
base, contemptible, despicable, dirty, disreputable, evil-minded, ignoble, ill, infernal, low, mean, snide, sordid; atrocious, cruel, infamous, nasty; blamable, blameworthy, censurable, objectionable, obscene, offensive, reprehensible; corrupt, debased, debauched, degenerate, depraved, dissolute, libertine, loose, low-minded, perverted, reprobate, scrofulous, sick, unhealthy; cursed (also curst), cussed, defiling, noxious, pernicious, pestilential, ugly, ungodly, unwholesome; banned, barred, condemned, discouraged, forbidden, illegal, interdicted, outlawed, prohibited, proscribed, unauthorized, unclean; disallowed; execrable, lousy, miserable, wretched; errant, erring, fallen, unprincipled, unscrupulous; improper, incorrect, indecent, indecorous, naughty, unbecoming, unseemly, vulgar; dishonest, dishonorable
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elevated, high, high-minded, law-abiding, legitimate, lofty, noble, principled, reputable, scrupulous; allowed, authorized, legal, licensed, permissible, permitted; approved, endorsed (also indorsed), sanctioned; abetted, encouraged, promoted, supported; clean, correct, decent, decorous, exemplary, proper, seemly; blameless, commendable, creditable, guiltless, legitimate; chaste, immaculate, incorruptible, innocent, inoffensive, irreproachable, lily-white, perfect, pure, spotless, squeaky-clean, uncorrupted, unerring, unfallen, unobjectionable, venerable, white, wholesome; esteemed, respected, upstanding, worthy
Horses for courses...I see reality TV shows as a way to induce biliousness and vomiting.
Watching soaps is not "right behavior." It has no utility. It is a waste of time. It leads to sedentary behavior which in turn leads to heart disease, obesity etc. However, it is not immoral.
Unprotected rock climbing is immoral due to the risk? How about biking? The risk of riding a bicycle on the street is arguably higher risk than rock climbing. Is that immoral?
By your definition, it if is not right, it is immoral. And arguing with a fundamentalist is certainly not "right."
And smokers have plenty of anecdotes about how they know smokers who are healthy, who lived to 110, you can smoke a little and have it have no effect etc. I am sure they are correct as well.It may be an aspect to sedentary behavior, but it doesn't cause it directly. It can be a symptom of a different cause. The fittest people in the world I'm sure watch TV / movies.
But you're going to!This is a ridiculous argument. Why should I even entertain this discussion any longer
?? I don't. I watch movies on occasion. It is a waste of time. It does not make me immoral.It's so silly. I never knew you to be the jock type who hates all TV except the news and weather, and never enjoys a movie even once in awhile. Geez.
Yes. Of all the things I do, riding to work on a busy secondary road is by far the activity most likely to cause my death.Serious? I think I'm going to need to pull the burden of proof card on this one, since this is too extraordinary for me to believe. Unprotected rock climbing is less risky than riding a bicycle?
Exactly. It is right FOR HIM. Maybe it's not right for you. It does not make it immoral.I find that hard to believe. If you are correct, I'd either say both are stupid are none are stupid though, just based on the facts. I will say one thing if so, though. Maybe someone enjoys city bicycle riding so much, that he continues to do so even though he knows the risks. I wouldn't call that stupid because he knows, understands, and has considered the facts, but rationally (to his mind) considers street riding a favorable activity.
Sorta circular argument, don't you think? Things that are right are moral, and things that do not violate a moral code are right.If it's for entertainment and it's not violating any other moral code, then it is considered right.
Why? I often argue with fundamentalists on boards like this one. It's entertaining, and is more educational (because I look stuff up on occasion to make a point) than watching soaps. I generally do not expect to change their minds. Why is that stupider than watching soaps?If you are hoping (and think it's reasonable) to change the fundamentalist's mind, THEN you are being stupid.
That's subjective. Anyway, he said BEING on a reality TV show, not WATCHING. Geez.
Stupidity means different things to different people. In and of itself, if someone lacks common sense or a certain level of intelligence, that isn't synonymous with immorality.
Frankly, there are many brilliant, immoral people in the world. Immorality is a condition of one's character, not a product of one's IQ.
Thank you wegs. It seems like a lot of people are equating intelligence with morality. They are not the same. A janitor with an IQ of 80 who can barely get through a day might be a very moral person; a brilliant investment banker who makes huge amounts of money for his clients (while occasionally hammering someone else) might be not very moral at all.
And smokers have plenty of anecdotes about how they know smokers who are healthy, who lived to 110, you can smoke a little and have it have no effect etc. I am sure they are correct as well.
But you're going to!
?? I don't. I watch movies on occasion. It is a waste of time. It does not make me immoral.
I boulder (i.e. do unprotected rock climbing.) It does not make me immoral.
I skydive and BASE jump. It does not make me immoral.
I drink, and even on occasion drink more than two beers. It does not make me immoral.
See the pattern here?
Yes. Of all the things I do, riding to work on a busy secondary road is by far the activity most likely to cause my death.
Exactly. It is right FOR HIM. Maybe it's not right for you. It does not make it immoral.
Again, I hope you notice a pattern emerging here.
Sorta circular argument, don't you think? Things that are right are moral, and things that do not violate a moral code are right.
Why? I often argue with fundamentalists on boards like this one. It's entertaining, and is more educational (because I look stuff up on occasion to make a point) than watching soaps. I generally do not expect to change their minds. Why is that stupider than watching soaps?
You seem to be defining "immoral" as "things I don't like." That's actually a pretty common definition, but one I do not agree with. My moral code includes "do whatever you want to do as long as you don't hurt anyone else or put them at risk" and "treat others as you wish to be treated." It does not include judging behavior as "immoral" if it does not meet my criteria for "good."
Stupidity means different things to different people. In and of itself, if someone lacks common sense or a certain level of intelligence, that isn't synonymous with immorality.
Frankly, there are many brilliant, immoral people in the world. Immorality is a condition of one's character, not a product of one's IQ.
(Speaking in generalities; immorality is subjective in nature. What you might consider immoral, I might not. Yadda, yadda...)
That would be even worse!
Speaking subjectively of course.
Irrational behavior / stupidity is not right behavior. It's not good behavior. So therefore it should be immoral, yes? I am well aware this isn't brought up too often, but I do think that it fits within the definition, correct?
I'm just wondering if people agree with me here because I mentioned it to a buddy of mine and he said "most people would disagree with you on that".
Thank you wegs. It seems like a lot of people are equating intelligence with morality. They are not the same. A janitor with an IQ of 80 who can barely get through a day might be a very moral person; a brilliant investment banker who makes huge amounts of money for his clients (while occasionally hammering someone else) might be not very moral at all.
You seem like a very stubborn person even under the face of clear logic. . . . This is what I fucking said . . .I swear I would be able to explain this easily to a 5th grader.
Sorry you can't discuss this rationally.
Stupidity is not immoral. It is just stupid.
A stronger negative value judgement might start to sneak in if we judge that X should have known that Y wouldn't work. And this can sometimes become a full-fledged ascription of moral wrong if somebody else suffers damages as a result of X's supposedly forseeable error. In law, negligence is a tort and a cause for civil action.
I wouldn't equate low intelligence with stupidity. In fact, I'll take this a step further and denounce the term altogether: to accuse someone of being of "low intelligence" demonstrates a distasteful negation of another's integrity, for I won't be stupid enough not to assume that "low intelligence" here doesn't refer to another's completeness — by sneeringly referring to a supposed incompleteness.